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Reply #15 - 01/05/13 at 07:01:24

I don't see "ground strap connection" anywhere in the clymer manual....is this the blue wire near the metal bar that moves when I press on the clutch?

I hear two clicks when I try and start the bike. The battery is definitely charged. Per the manual, I think that means the delayed relay to the solenoid and decompression lever are both working, so maybe this is a short somewhere?

The terminals are firmly attached to the battery cables, so I don't think I made any mistake when I put the battery back in.

Anything else I can do that woud help with a diagnosis? I don't have a voltmeter or even understand how I would use one, but those seem to be mentioned on the board and in the manual quite a bit when it comes to electrical problems....

Man...an electrical problem AND and carb problem. Am I just a lucky guy?

Serowbot wrote on 01/04/13 at 15:29:48:

Bummer...
It does sound like carb... a jet may be plugged, or the needle slide is sticking... She needs a cleaning...

The loud click,... is a decompression relay, (it makes the engine easier to turn over at start by lifting the exhaust valve for a fraction of a second)... That's a normal sound...

Now,.. why your battery is dead, is another can o' worms... but,... since you replaced it recently, let's just check that battery connections are good.... (a loose connection will affect charging and starting)( also, check the ground strap connection at the rear of the engine near the clutch actuator)...

... and lastly,... (new to bikes?),... wear jeans.. (they don't melt)... Wink

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Reply #16 - 01/05/13 at 07:30:28

The ground strap goes from the negative side of the battery and travels down and attaches to the engine just above the oil level window and behind the clutch actuating lever on the right side of the crankcase.

You should probably have your battery tested. I bought a new one and it only lasted 4 weeks before it failed - sometimes batteries go bad before their time.

And the carb......take it apart and clean it.

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Reply #17 - 01/05/13 at 12:38:07

Hi All,

So I decided to start from the top today. I took the battery out and went to Trak Auto; their battery tester said the battery was good to go. Went back and reinstalled the battery, really slowly to make sure I wasn't forgetting anything. Bike in neutral, kickstand up, two clicks and then nothing. From what I can tell, it looks like the ground wire is attached (pic).

A bike needs fire, air, and fuel to run right? I pulled the gas tank (full, and new petcock works fine) and worked my way down to the spark plug. I wasn't able to get the plug out, even after an additional trip to purchase a second king of spark plug wrench. The wrench, however, won't fit down in the plug well. What's the deal here? My bike didn't come with a tool kit on it, so is there a special wrench that everyone is using? Regardless, the plug looked almost brand new (previous owner must have installed it before selling it to me).

I put the bike back together and still no luck. The first click I hear comes from directly under the seat (ignitor unit?) and the second seems to be decompression solenoid. This makes me think that there is probably no problems with the wiring, because the electricity is getting to these parts.

I think I need to overcome this initial electrical problem before I rip the carb out and start cleaning. What should be my next move?

Could the starter motor have gone out? Clymer's manual suggests that only professionals try and remove that...

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Dave YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 18101 Camp Springs, Kentucky Gender:	Re: Med student vs Suzuki savage Reply #18 - 01/06/13 at 04:34:25 Put a volt meter on the starter terminal and determine if the electricity is getting to the starter when you push the starter button. You could use a test light - but it would be helpful to know the voltage (if any) that is getting to the starter.
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Oldfeller--FSO Serious Thumper ModSquad Offline Hobby is now "concentrated neuropany" Posts: 12673 Fayetteville, NC Gender:	Re: Med student vs Suzuki savage Reply #19 - 01/06/13 at 07:31:38 You have to buy a "thin wall" deep spark plug socket -- the parts stores sell them as the new cars require them too.
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mikey2004 Junior Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 57 Sarasota Florida Gender:	Re: Med student vs Suzuki savage Reply #20 - 01/06/13 at 09:06:41 im in sarasota too. rebuilding the motor on my 99 savage that i just bought for 500 dollars. the guy i bought it from told me about a problem that sound exactly like yours. he told me he bought a new charginf system and it fixed the problem. hope this helps.
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28663 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Med student vs Suzuki savage Reply #21 - 01/06/13 at 09:20:50 Do you have a car?... Try jumping it with your car battery... Don't have the car engine running when you do it... Connect the jumper to the positive battery terminal. and the negative to the engine block of both vehicles... When finished,...disconnect negative first...
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MileHiRider Junior Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 51 Denver, Colorado Gender:	Re: Med student vs Suzuki savage Reply #22 - 01/06/13 at 10:43:43 I agree with Serowbot, I don't think you've totally eliminated the battery as the problem. If it starts with a jump, you need to look at, or have a mechanic check the starter.
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MileHiRider Junior Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 51 Denver, Colorado Gender:	Re: Med student vs Suzuki savage Reply #23 - 01/06/13 at 10:50:00 I meant to say if it doesn't start with a jump.......
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ToesNose Serious Thumper Offline Pardon me, do you have Hot Sauce? Posts: 1993 Mooresville, NC Gender:	Re: Med student vs Suzuki savage Reply #24 - 01/06/13 at 11:15:35 How long are your rides usually? The LS650's charging system doesn't accell at charging when you take allot of short rides under 30 minutes, especially if the battery wasn't charged 100% to start.
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Digger Serious Thumper 2005 No Login Offline Ya gotta be tough to ride singles! Posts: 1604 Colorado Springs, CO Gender:	Re: Med student vs Suzuki savage Reply #25 - 01/06/13 at 20:17:53 Oldfeller--FSO wrote on 01/06/13 at 07:31:38: You have to buy a "thin wall" deep spark plug socket -- the parts stores sell them as the new cars require them too. That'll work. FWIW, I use a simple 18mm deep well socket for the plug.....
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