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Re: different rear tire size
Reply #15 - 02/14/16 at 18:57:11
 
I'm considering going from 140/80 to 140/90 myself. Possibly higher weight and larger diameter might contribute to some flywheel effect, but one thing a taller tire will certainly do is give you a little taller effective gearing.

Of course, I'm no authority here.  Lips Sealed
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Reply #16 - 02/14/16 at 20:13:52
 
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Re: different rear tire size
Reply #17 - 02/14/16 at 20:21:47
 
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Re: different rear tire size
Reply #18 - 02/14/16 at 20:23:55
 
Rocket Man wrote on 02/14/16 at 18:46:01:
NEW QUESTION: Does the height and weight of the rear tire make a notable difference in top speed and acceleration? the reason i ask is i recently had to go with the 140/90 instead of the 140/80 low profile which came on the bike due to availability. After replacing the back tire with one 10% taller (80 to a 90) i noticed a significant reduction in acceleration and top speed. I assume this is the new tire in action but i'm not sure. Thanks for any responses Cool

As far as top speed goes... 102 vs 97, now that won't be your indicated speed as far as I'm concerned the 140/90 makes the speedo right on.  for the 140/80 you're going 4% slower for the indicated speed.

and I'd guess that it's 4% slower off the line too, but if you can sense that... you've spent a lot of rubber at the drag strip.

I'd check to make sure you got everything back in place right.  fat spacer on the left, tire not rubbing, belt with 90° twist in tension and in the center of the pulley.

have you tested your petcock?
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Re: different rear tire size
Reply #19 - 02/15/16 at 13:45:16
 
Tires act like gears as far as the engine is concerned. A taller tire effectively raises the overall gear ratio and "softens" the acceleration. The 140/90 is about 4% taller than stock (using Verslagen's number), so it makes the stock gearing feel 4% higher.
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Reply #20 - 02/15/16 at 14:50:37
 
Yep.  I went with the 140/90 but I totally get the valid arguments (backed up by sound mathematics and great images  Wink) pointed out by folks like Dave regarding the use of available tread and the width of our rims.
I actually like the look of the wider rear tire but my bike's not cafe'd out.  What I really like is the drop in revs at highway speed and I mostly use my bike as a commuter/daily driver.
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Re: different rear tire size
Reply #21 - 02/16/16 at 01:39:30
 
Bought a 140/90 kenda last summer. Big mistake, weighs a ton more than stock, and looks like a triangular (all the wear will be on a strip 1" wide).
Next tire will be a 130/90. Cheers! Cool
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Reply #22 - 02/16/16 at 18:21:40
 
I'm running a 140/90 Pirelli and don't notice any weight difference. Maybe it does weigh more but I'm saying I don't notice it. Feels like the same bike (except geared slightly higher because of the added tire height).
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Reply #23 - 02/16/16 at 22:02:21
 
Tocsik wrote on 02/15/16 at 14:50:37:
Yep.  I went with the 140/90 but I totally get the valid arguments (backed up by sound mathematics and great images  Wink) pointed out by folks like Dave regarding the use of available tread and the width of our rims.
I actually like the look of the wider rear tire but my bike's not cafe'd out.  What I really like is the drop in revs at highway speed and I mostly use my bike as a commuter/daily driver.
I replaced the bolts holding my saddle bag brackets for button heads and have had no clearance issues with the Mich Commander II.


If I recall correctly that rim/tire size chart in Dave's cafe tire thread, that chart seems to suggest that the 140/90 is more suited to the rim than the factory 140/80. Just something I noticed. Did anyone else see this from the pattern of the chart? Can anyone see why this is so? I think I can.  Wink

Not arguing against the 130/90, just comparing those two.
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Re: different rear tire size
Reply #24 - 02/17/16 at 03:41:42
 
The Cafe' Tire thread should not be referenced for the stock sized rim....the rims/tires on those conversions is a completely different issue...those tires are a lower 70/80 aspect ratio and the rim is narrower.

Here is a thread that discusses the new tire options for the bike with the stock sized wheels.
http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1448021014/0

The stock rear rim is 2.75" wide.  The available tire sizes fit the following rim widths.

130/90    2.50, 2.75, 3.00, 3.50
140/80    2.75, 3.00, 3.50
140/90    2.75, 3.00, 3.50

There is virtually no difference in the "suitability" of the tires based on rim width.  The stock rim is always going to be at the lower end of the fitment guide - but all the tires sizes are approved for use on the stock rim.

The bottom line in the long tire thread is:

The stock 140/80-15 tires size is not common, and the only tire commonly available in that size is the stock IRC GS-18 tire....which is not all that great of a tire.

The 130/90-15 is almost a direct replacement.  It is only about 1% larger in diameter, and the width measured nearly identical.  I measured a stock IRC GS-18 on the rim and it was 132mm wide, and a Shinko 230 in the 130/90 measured 136mm when mounted.  Handling, speedometer reading, etc. will not change.  The tire visually appears to be the same size when mounted on the bike.

The 140/90-15 is a larger and heavier tire, and it looks noticeably bigger on the bike.  The tire is 4% bigger in the circumference, and it does slow acceleration down a bit, slows the transition into and out of curves a bit and makes the bike a bit more stable in a straight line, and it will change the speedometer reading.  Folks who ride mostly highways or use the bike to commute like the taller gearing and more stable ride.  And if you put a lot of miles on your bike.....tires like the Michelin Commander can get you as many as 25,000 miles on a back tire (MMRanch).


You most likely will spend more time figuring out which "brand" of tire to buy....than you will what "size".  If you are on a biking budget.....the Shinko 230 is a great buy in the 100/90-19 front & 130/90-15 rear tire combination.

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Re: different rear tire size
Reply #25 - 02/17/16 at 08:52:56
 
Since this is not the place to play this kind of game, I'm moving the discussion elsewhere.

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Re: different rear tire size
Reply #26 - 02/17/16 at 09:24:18
 
There is no reason to start a new thread.....ask your question in a way that it can be understood.  If you need a tire chart to reference.....here it is:

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Re: different rear tire size
Reply #27 - 02/17/16 at 09:43:49
 
The question is this: I noticed a pattern of fit on the above chart which (theoretically) favors the 140/90 over the 140/80. Can you figure out what I found? Do you understand the reason for this pattern?

Don't spoil it for everyone if you don't have to. It's a game.  Wink I'd like to see how many people can find it.

Any takers?
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Reply #28 - 02/17/16 at 10:07:50
 
Everyone can just pm me with their answers . I'll post everyone's responses and the answer after some people have a chance to guess.
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Reply #29 - 02/17/16 at 12:35:10
 
I'm being serious.


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