Putting the bullet business in the hands of the people who need to make them from chemicals and metal, automatically makes them want to not spend 3-400 of those in a few sec.

McVeigh was a well funded motivated terrorist. Not a loner nut.

Now 3-400 bullets are a few bucks, and take seconds to buy. we will just make it take 30-40 hours. That would put a lot of the fringe nuts out of it.

In India too we make those firecrackers and possibly even higher power explosives pretty easily, and you know how ? We have a few regions where the soil is combustible. Like in an area called "sivakasi" you stick you hand in the sand and it will come out silver in color. Loaded with some magnesium based compound. Whatever is the components of gun powder, we put it under the same controlled substances. Just make it harder and harder.

Cool.
Srinath.

Once again, you're talking gun laws, I am talking bullet laws.
And this solution attempt is free.
There is plenty of bullets out there. However in a few years they will work themselves out. Even a criminal has to buy bullets. He already has a gun, and a gun is indestructible. You wont be able to get bullets for under 100 bucks a pop. Or make them yourself ... you just need to be a machinist. And a chemist and have access to controlled substances and be able to hide form the law ...

Cool.
Srinath.

There's going to be times evil is going to prevail and no law or laws will stop it. Wasnt there a killing or killings with a bow and arrow on a college campus? I briefly heard something about it. We would have better results if we concentrated on phychiatric drugs and mental illness.

srinath wrote on 12/26/12 at 07:27:56:



Another idiotic idea.  You proposed taking bullets away from everyone when about one billionth of the bullets made ever do anything illegal.  That's correct,.. one billionth.  One out of 1,000,000,000.  

There is a similar situation with guns.  You want to have guns be made ineffective for everyone, when less than one percent of one percent of one percent of the guns in this country are used illegally.  In this country, a gun is used successfully for self defense about once every 13 seconds.  That would be a lousy trade-off.

Put all this in context.  The loss of life from misuse of guns is not very important compared to other causes for loss of life.  This country loses over a hundred people EVERY DAY in auto accidents,. and nearly double that from diabetes.  If we could get the government to stop the propaganda about 'healthy whole grains" and eventually get people to stop eating wheat and other grains, that diabetes number would be reduced 90%.

Taking bullets away from the overwhelming (meaning nearly absolute) majority of law-abiders who need them or simply want them is the wrong way to go, for many reasons ranging from the Second Amendment to the simple need for freedom to do what we want without bothering anyone else.

"Put all this in context.  The loss of life from misuse of guns is not very important compared to other causes for loss of life.  This country loses over a hundred people EVERY DAY in auto accidents." Gyro

GREAT arguement! This guy drove his volvo into an elementary school and killed 20 kids and 6 adults before driving over himself...

Yes, stick with your arguement..You must have been an ace in debate.

Our sh!tty infrastructure relies on cars....Guns? Not so much.

People don't buy cars for the express purpose of  killing other people with them. That whole analogy is ridiculous.

Starlifter wrote on 12/26/12 at 12:23:19:


Starry says, "People don't buy cars for the express purpose of  killing other people with them. That whole analogy is ridiculous."  Sorry Starry, your point is the ridiculous one because 99.999999% of the folks buying guns don't intend to kill anyone either.  You make my point for me.

Lately there have been over 100,000 background checks done per day.  Those background checks are done by gun stores that have to do them for every gun purchase.  This doesn't even count the individual gun sales which might be even double that.  You think most of those folks are buying guns to kill people?  Methinks not.  I will admit, though, with tens of millions of guns being sold every year, there are going to be a few wackos that will do nasty things with them.  Additional gun laws that make it harder on folks like you are me will have no effect on those wackos, or on criminals who sneer and giggle at gun laws.

 I find this hilarious that people who have a medical mary jane card cannot hold a concealed carry license! They can't buy a gun... Yet severly mentally ill, on mind altering chemicals can buy anything...

Gyrobob wrote on 12/27/12 at 04:59:48:


You are talking very very short term.
And not talking about cutting off bullet supply ...
And not talking about some ID based trigger lock ...

Your scenario is this. Yesterday we banned guns.
Today 20 people got shot. You then claim gun ban didn't work.

Turns out, there was a month lead up to the ban date, the whacko's stockpiled and went on a rampage. You imply that it was the ban that affected it.

And the local city level crap does not work. Its like "to get rid of our trash problem we will pay 10c per bottle, can, and sheet of paper" Instantly, people with trucks full of crap from 100 miles away will show up and dump in your town.
Also crime is a bit different. Criminals prefer to commit crime in an area they are familiar with, but dont live in. So kennesaw crime, usually committed by people living outside kennesaw. So kennesaw's crime will not go down when kennesaw bans guns, it will go down when the towns around kennesaw do.

I also am assuming everyone is reading all my posts made prior to the current post.
I mentioned gun calibers that are not currently in production are to be made equipped with ID trigger locks. Those guns you can get bullets for upon producing ID and background check.
The guns out in the country now, you can turn in for that type of gun.
The guns that are there you cant get ammo for.
You need to make the ammo, from materials you cant buy cheap or easy.
Better yet, the ID tag trigger bullets should be pretty hard to open and get powder out of. Law abiding gun owners should have no problem wiht that. They get their guns and bullets as it is right now, and that gun will only fire in their hand.

Cool.
Srinath.