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WebsterMark Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 13083 Gender:	Another one bites the dust... 12/12/12 at 05:42:21 Michigan begins a long slow turn back towards sanity.... Along with Indiana and Wisconsin, that's 3 recently. If Illinois and California turned, this nation might have a chance to survive....
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Paraquat Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2206	Re: Another one bites the dust... Reply #1 - 12/12/12 at 06:09:27 Information is lacking. I see they repealed helmet laws in April. I know Illinois and California suck for gun laws but I can't find anything about Michigan changing any gun laws. http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2012/11/michigan_gun_law_changes.html This? --Steve
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WebsterMark Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 13083 Gender:	Re: Another one bites the dust... Reply #2 - 12/12/12 at 07:00:00 Sorry, more important than helmet laws or gun laws in the big picture. Right to Work laws.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Another one bites the dust... Reply #3 - 12/12/12 at 07:10:46 I wonder how many would argue its wrong to make a woman carry a baby if she doesnt want to, but perfectly reasonable to force someone to join a union if they dont want to.
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Paraquat Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2206	Re: Another one bites the dust... Reply #4 - 12/12/12 at 09:07:05 Without an article I'm still in the dark. I can tell you that I don't care for unions. --Steve
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WebsterMark Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 13083 Gender:	Re: Another one bites the dust... Reply #5 - 12/12/12 at 09:55:21 It will be all over the news tonight. don't worry, NBC will give you the details in a fair and balanced manner...... ha ha.
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28607 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Another one bites the dust... Reply #6 - 12/12/12 at 09:59:10 You can always count on Rep's to do anything to get wages lower... ...
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Reply #7 - 12/12/12 at 10:53:16

unions had their time and place
i was an open shop electrican in florida a right to work state
was doing an oil load out facility on the east end of tampa but..pipe fitters union derailed a loco which didnt gain anything
carpenters union piciketed florida mall in orlando the local leos escorted in and out
the union electrical shop workin on the core of the mall walked out in solidarity all that got them was an extended weekend
took two electricans 4 weeks to wire one of the mens room most of the time just sitting there
all these things did is drive up costs

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Reply #8 - 12/12/12 at 12:02:50

You can always count on Rep's to do anything to get wages lower

Prices lower, prices. Big difference.

and yes thumper; unions served their purpose, but their original mandate of safety and MARKET wages has been replaced by artifical wage gouging and as a safe haven for lazy slobs. I had a storm line replaced in my back yard this summer. The whole neighborhood laughed at these guys. Took 8 days to do a 2 day job. No one around here will ever vote to increase taxes to give the local sewer district more money after watching these clowns. lazy slobs had obama stickers all over their new ford F150's...... part of the 47%.

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Reply #9 - 12/12/12 at 12:09:50

It will be all over the news tonight. don't worry, NBC will give you the details in a fair and balanced manner...... ha ha.

well, that didn't take long to prove. Think we'll hear anything about that tonight? 50/50 at best. Black congressmen walks thru a tea party rally and lies about being called a name. All over the news and still reported. when footage of camera crew who followed him proved he was lying, strangely enough, nothing said about it. So, moral of the story is don't think for one second you'll get the whole story about Michigan Right to Work stuff on NBC, CBS, ABC or CNN for that matter.

Last night, all the major television networks chose not to show footage of violent union members in Michigan tearing down a tent owned by Americans for Prosperity, or footage of a union member punching Fox News contributor Steven Crowder in the face repeatedly.

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Reply #10 - 12/12/12 at 14:13:10

WebsterMark wrote on 12/12/12 at 12:02:50:

You can always count on Rep's to do anything to get wages lower

Prices lower, prices. Big difference.

wages are prices, prices of labor, prices of work, if you really think that the devaluation of work is good, then move to China

not that same wages aren't inflated, but that's the fighting principle here

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LostArtist Ex Member	Re: Another one bites the dust... Reply #11 - 12/12/12 at 14:25:42 justin_o_guy2 wrote on 12/12/12 at 07:10:46: I wonder how many would argue its wrong to make a woman carry a baby if she doesnt want to, but perfectly reasonable to force someone to join a union if they dont want to. why are you bringing up abortion in a union argument? they are not equivicable in any way, quit it
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WebsterMark Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 13083 Gender:	Re: Another one bites the dust... Reply #12 - 12/12/12 at 15:34:27 Unions artificially inflate wages which artificially increase prices. the pro-choice argument is perfectly valid. Liberals love giving people choices when it comes to killing a baby, but how come a guy can't have the choice to pay union dues or not?
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28607 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Another one bites the dust... Reply #13 - 12/12/12 at 16:08:43 Most any hypocrisy arguments can be turned around... Rep's want freedom of choice for union dues, but control over women's bodies... ... How hypocritical... ...
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Reply #14 - 12/12/12 at 16:42:07

WebsterMark wrote on 12/12/12 at 15:34:27:

Unions artificially inflate wages which artificially increase prices.

the pro-choice argument is perfectly valid. Liberals love giving people choices when it comes to killing a baby, but how come a guy can't have the choice to pay union dues or not?

"Unions artificially inflate wages which artificially increase prices." I bet that affect is marginal for most markets, yes in some markets like autos that does have a more sever effect, but I'm not sure the prices of movies have gone up because of SAG. so it just depends, and again, lands on the shoulders of company management

the pro-choice argument is not perfectly valid. LIFE vs MONEY or in your world are they the same???

and I"m not pro-union or anything but I am glad they were around when working conditions were crappy and pay was total sh!t. yes they have some very corrupt elements to them, but no more so than a corsortium of companies lobbying the government for this or that tax benefit or break or this law or that law.

I do find it unreasonable though that just because someone works in this or that field that they are forced to pay dues. or at least the same level of dues, since they do benefit from the union's efforts regardless of if they pay or not.

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