That certainly makes me feel better.

Good advise.

Gentlemen,

The cam chain is no longer attached at both ends.  :'(

Any suggestions for the best chain to purchase?

Also, while I'm spending money, I need a tool cover thingy. Preferably with a key.

budsz

Thanks man. I figure by the time I get the chain I'll be doing that and more. Looks like the top of the chain guide also broke off but the chain looks like its all there, just broken. Plus I'm not sure if the piston hit a valve, but I didn't hear anything when the bike died.

I'll let you know how it comes out.

PS: The Clymer manual isn't much help. Is there somewhere to download a Haynes manual?

From a leaking "oil cap" over to a broken cam chain apparently occurring after his attempted repairs to his head for "leaking oil cover" and "(s)tripped bolts".    

Quite a progression of destruction here.



Notice also that Budro made the PROFOUND MISTAKE of not keeping his problem posts in ONE SINGLE THREAD -- as such the people attempting to help him never had all the information they needed -- he got some partial answers based on his 3 separate partial posts.  

Moderators, please stop a new poster from making multiple threads on the same bike/issues, cut the new one and append it to the original thread and message the new poster to KEEP ONLY ONE THREAD ON HIS ISSUES.

Once Budro shows us the pictures so we can see the extent of his damage then the helper folks can perhaps suggest the correct teardown actions he needs to take.  

This assumes Budro is going to take recommendations, so far he has bulled along fairly rapidly with no repair manual with somewhat limited success.

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Replaced Cap
Running Rich
Lost Compression

Budro's 17 posts in all threads, read them from the bottom (reverse order).

"Thanks man. I figure by the time I get the chain I'll be doing that and more. Looks like the top of the chain guide also broke off but the chain looks like its all there, just broken. Plus I'm not sure if the piston hit a valve, but I didn't hear anything when the bike died.

I'll let you know how it comes out.

PS: The Clymer manual isn't much help. Is there somewhere to download a Haynes manual?
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2       General Category / Rubber Side Down! / Re: Lost compression
on: Today at 01:45:41
Gentlemen,

The cam chain is no longer attached at both ends.  :'(

Any suggestions for the best chain to purchase?

Also, while I'm spending money, I need a tool cover thingy. Preferably with a key.

budsz
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3       General Category / Rubber Side Down! / Re: Lost compression
on: Yesterday at 14:33:28
Good advise.
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4       General Category / Rubber Side Down! / Re: Lost compression
on: Yesterday at 13:09:43
That certainly makes me feel better.
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5       General Category / Rubber Side Down! / Re: Lost compression
on: Yesterday at 03:13:57
Took off the front cover. Turned engine over and nothing is moving. Shouldn't there be some valve moving?
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6       General Category / Rubber Side Down! / Re: Lost compression
on: Yesterday at 02:57:01
I was afraid you were going to say that.

Thanks
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7       General Category / Rubber Side Down! / Re: Lost compression
on: Yesterday at 02:27:23
Found it and loosened the cable so that the lever is completely down. Still no compression. Motor spends much faster than before, so if the lever is down is the exhaust valve closed or open? The solenoid seems to be functioning. I get a very load click when I hit the starter button, which makes me think the exhaust valve is stuck open.

I'll get that manual downloaded.

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8       General Category / Rubber Side Down! / Re: Lost compression
on: Yesterday at 01:28:49
Thanks for the reply. So before I start tearing it down what's the decomp? I'm thinking it has a stuck valve since it has no compression at all but I never heard of a decomp.
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9       General Category / Rubber Side Down! / Lost compression
on: 11/23/12 at 21:55:27
Well I just thought I had problem with backfires. Suddenly lost compression. Bike started fine went one block. Engine suddenly quit and no compression. I'm assuming a head gasket but thought I'd check here before pulling the head. Have done compression check and nada none zero. Seems like I'd get a little even with a blown gasket. Also I'm feeling air around the right had side of the head cover. A valve stuck open maybe?
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on: 11/21/12 at 03:44:42
Right. And how do i do that? Thanks
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11       General Category / Rubber Side Down! / Running Rich
on: 11/21/12 at 01:14:44
Picked up an 86. Runs good but rich and fouls plugs. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Buddy
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on: 10/01/12 at 02:34:57
It's good permatex silicon rated at 700 degrees but I think the one broken bolt and the stripped one are causing most of the problems. If I can get the helicoil set and get a little torque maybe it will work. Doesn't take much torque. Problem is to really set the coil correctly I'd need to pull the jug. Anyway it will happen sooner or later.
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on: 10/01/12 at 02:20:13
Right. No I removed it ran copper silicone high heat around it. One bolt in the back was broken off and one had a helicoil that came loose. Can't get enough torqure on the back right hand side. Leaks like even worse now. Will continue to mess with it until it stops.
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14       General Category / Rubber Side Down! / Re: Replaced Cap
on: 09/30/12 at 19:41:22
Thanks man. I'm going to go ahead and run some silicone gasket maker around the head cover.
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15       General Category / Rubber Side Down! / Re: Replaced Cap
on: 09/30/12 at 13:22:22
Thanks. That pretty much answers my question. There was no sealer.  Sad

I was able to get the old plug out (It was very loose) and replace it and used the silicone on it etc. Is there some secret to getting the head cover off completely. I haven't found complete instructions and the bolt that acts as a stud wouldn't allow me enough room to swing the cover out and off. I 'm assuming I don't need to drop the engine.
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on: 09/30/12 at 03:13:29
So does that mean there isn't one? I've got a couple of tripped bolts. Hopefully it won't leak too much.
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17       General Category / Rubber Side Down! / Replaced Cap
on: 09/30/12 at 01:31:14
So I replace the oil cap which looked like it was definitely leaking but is there no gasket that fits on the cover. Seems like there should be one since I assume oil is spraying on the valves, cam chain etc.

Budro"

Justin, please wait for the pictures -- the ball is in Budro's court now.  

Also, you should not feel any responsibility for what he did to his engine -- he never took your advice on any item that I could see, but instead chose to bull along and by golly he did it his way, with no manual to consult either.

So, don't beat him or yourself up, just wait for the pictures.  See what he is dealing with before offering anything in advice.


BTW, refer back to Budro's first posts -- Justin GAVE him the correct advice FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.    Budro never listened or did anything about it.  

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Well,, he did get it back together & it did run,, I dont think I woulda been able to do that w/o having asked a lot more questions than he did, If we had known he didnt know to trip that tensioner & relax it,, Hed probably be riding today, heck, thats If my guesswork is right,

Dangit, Budro, bummer dude, a detailed report & some pics would be good.
If you need a day away to lick your wounds, I certainly understand that.
The Grizzly 660 in my shop I took in to clean the tank & carb? Well,, all 5 valves were leaking, 3 had to be replaced, 2 would save,but I went for new, so they would all have the same Meat on them for handling heat, jug honed to look great, but measured about .001 egg shaped, so, its getting punched & a fatter piston. The air filter was there, but had fallen apart. It was sucking dirt in. The valves had never been adjusted, I could see that in the marks where the adjusters strike the valves, a dot, a line & a dot.. One Line,, never changed, just over 350 hours on the thing,
&, If you Ever Buy a machine from an individual & they dont have the shop manual & tools or they cant show maintenance records from a hired mechanic, you know its been neglected, & this guy got no manual & no records.

Heres how it went,

Bought it new.
Took it home, son gets on it & Rides the absolute CRAP out of it,They replace tires when it needs them, they add gas, oil looks to have been changed some, but if they said they changed it "Religiously", they go church once every coupla years, videos of Mudding get the boy excited, I find the radiator 100% plugged in places,dirty & inefficient in the best places, mud caked inside the tube that runs from the flat spot in front of the bars, down to the transmission (belts & pulleys!)& then it comes out in back,, flow thru Ventilation, not supposed to be a mud bath,, ( I am not even pulling that cover. If its messed up in there, then when it breaks, someone will fix it, probably me).
Front brakes were almost to the metal, rear was almost to the bottom of the "service limit" groove. Fluid brown on front brakes, cycled that crap thru,

Yea, Ive hit the wall,, IM doin stuff I need & or Wanna do for a while,,


Ohh, almost forgot, the Thermostat was stuck, full open. The rod had cocked sideways & jammed,, never seen one do that before,, probably got hit by a rock rolling along in the antifreeze. When I drained the coolant I got enough garbage that I poured it thru a paint filter,,

Old dude who bought it sure got shafted,,needless to say, he got mad at ME.. he thot I was jerking him around, running the $$$ up. Took a while to get him calmed down & get him to understand what it was he bought.
They ran it till it started losing some power & they knew it was injured,so, they sold it,,& they put new tires on it & cleaned it up & asked a Premium price for it. He gave about $2,600.00, which would be a little less than the cost of repair if it went to the shop.