srinath wrote on 11/08/12 at 09:53:52:Our airlines didn't come back stronger after Bankruptcy.
Our auto industry's competetion is heavily subsidised. Japan and europe will eat our lunch literally.
You can analyse this all you want ... this was a sub par candidate from a sub par party. The best from the right would have only failed by getting closer. Instead of getting called @ 11:16 like CNN did, he's have delayed that an hour maybe.
The country is slowly moving left via legal immigration.
The country is rapidly moving left via illegal immigration.
The only way to avert disaster IMHO is to use the Illegals as a lever to get the legals into play, or atleast less of the illegals into play.
These are the facts: Illegals of today will vote more for the left. So getting them to citizenship is not the way.
The legal immigrants are standing by appalled @ the rapid rise of the illegal. So are the core demographics of the right. White men.
I can see a scenario where the 14th amendment gets repealed, and illegal immigration gets killed off. The legal immigrants would need to see the right doing that. That will flip most legal immigrants to the right. Make it easier for legal immigration from other countries ... and you get a bigger chunk. All the while you keep the white guy vote.
BTW you stop spouting off crap about rape ... and you may get white women.
Tax the rich, you would get fewer funds but more votes from the middle class that are carrying all the tax burden.
The republicans are never going to gain the immigrant vote outright via reform to the immigration system ... the best hope is to get enough of the immigrants and the middle class of all stripes while retaining the core white base.
If the republicans do get say 10million immigrants on to citizenship ... the best plit of that would be 60/40 to democrats. Now you're 2 million votes short. Further the white base will be more alienated and they will abandon the republicans. You're now more than 2million votes short.
If they properly enforce all the laws on the books - properly deport and prevent illegals and get the 14th repealed ... they will essentially alienate - see I dont think they will alienate any non mexican immigrant. They will get me to flip, and I am sure many many more indians and chinese etc etc ... we dont want to see this country turn into "the united states of mexico".
Simple: 1. Deport all illegals and repeal the 14th - and you gain legal immigrants from non mexican countries, 2. Tax the rich and you gaim middle class conservatives, 3. Stop spouting about rape and you get women.
DTS for short. I dont think there is any real way other than that.
The GOP is never going to gain a majority among mexicans. Especially not is the WH is in democratic hands. You cannot explain it to them, mexicans dont consume any media for the politics. And worse yet if they do bring the mexicans in, they lose more than the amount the brought in, in the white vote.
Cool.
Srinath.
This makes ALL a lot of sense, and is spot on.
From a European perspective, it takes a LOT of hard work for a Republic, such as Italy, the USA, France, you name it... to be a true Democracy.
Let me get this straight.
Democracy comes from Greek, we all know that, but "democracy" does NOT mean "power to the people", it means "power FOR the people".
In a time when States were absolute Monarchies, or Oligarchies at best (with one royal family or many aristocrats sharing the spoils of war) for Athens to become a Democracy was a feat of sheer guts.
There they were, the Athenian Citizens, electing a Senate (or Convention of the Elders) and among them, the Dictator (the "one who would speak and decide").
The spoils of war would not go into anybody's personal coffers but to the State Treasury for works of public importance: schools, hospitals, baths, theaters...
BUT...
Exactly WHO was eligible to be an "Athenian Citizen" ?
These were the essential conditions:
1. Be a MAN (no women)
2. Be an Athenian (no immigrants in the last 7 generations, a rule carried on by the Popes to identify Christians from Jews and half-bloods in the Middle Ages)
3. Be born of a Citizen and of a free woman (no 2nd generation immigrants and no children of a house servant, be she a slave or a domestic worker; and no freed/emancipated slaves of any kind)
4. Have served in the Army (regardless of being called to war or not)
5. Never be tried for debt, perjury, treason and be found guilty - you would lose your right to vote.
So, all in all, think about it, O Ye Republican Gentlemen :
Exactly how many of you are :
1. Men (OK I guess that other than KimChris and Piglet we're all guys)
2. Born in the US by at least 7 generations (so no grandsons of immigrants who arrived after... 1880)(I am clearly out of this one
)
3. Be born of a "True American (see rule above) and a similarly True American woman (no servants or lowest working class, at ANY time, remember?)
4. Did serve in any Armed Service for your Country
5. Never been tried for debt, perjury, treason and be found guilty - you would lose your right to vote...
...and that includes the bankrupcy laws advocated by Jerry Eichenberger.
How many, by the Athenian Laws on Democracy and Citizenship, would really be Citizens and given the right to vote?
Answer: only those very few, who are of ancient and noble stock, and have always been rich enough to have others working for them.
In those ancient days, many an Athenian war was funded by local bankers... sometimes richer than the Athenian Treasury itself...
BUT
as they were foreigners, immigrants, they were not granted citizenship and denied the right to vote.
Regardless of their riches.
THAT, my friends, was Democracy, when the Law will not be influenced by money !!!
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