Hello yea ... and I am hoping for a Warren/TBD 2016.

Hilary - I am sorry that tired old screeching closet lesbian shrew (not that I am against any of those things by themselves - except the screeching) will not get my vote unless she runs against Lyin Ryan.

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Srinath.

As a life long ( now nearly 66 years old ) Republican, my party has two options - change fairly drastically, or wither away like the Whigs did in the 1800s.
We can no longer be the party of just white, middle aged voters, and we can't remain the party who only says, "No".
My personal choices to groom for 2016 are Bobby Jindal, Marco Rubio, and Robt. Portman, in no particular order.  Nikki Haley is a potential too.
If we are to come back and take theWhite House again, we've got to appeal across the broad to the whole spectrum of voters who admire success, want it for themselves, and are willing to work hard to get there.  If our citizens don't have those characteristics, there is no longer any hope for any of us.

ZAR wrote on 11/08/12 at 07:51:27:



ZAR - In this count of votes modified this way, would you be counting the votes of the super rich (Like GE if I recall) who are still getting handout's or paying no taxes like Mitt himself ? Just asking that's all.

Yea the poor dont get to vote, I dont see a problem with that ... does anyone else ?
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Srinath.

ZAR -

I disagree.  First, a little background.  I'm a lawyer who is very poltically active.  My daughter is a city councilman, and her husband is a State Representative.  I've been around and involved in politics my entire adult life.
Politics is all about perception; right or wrong, perception is reality.  The perceptions that arose hit working people, like the stupid comment about letting the auto makers go bankrupt, and the senior citizens with Paul Ryan's stances on Social Security and Medicare, and then sending him to address the AARP convention.  How stupid.
Obama took Ohio, where I live for one simple reason - the auto workers in Toledo, Cleveland, Lordstown, and a couple of other places were scared out of their wits for their jobs.
We just didn't think and we sent the wrong message thereby.  What Romney meant by saying, "let them go bankrupt" was to use the b/r court to enable the industry to shed debt and emerge all the stronger, like many airlines did.  But to a guy with only a high school diploma, not business savvy, with an under water mortgage and 3 kids to support, that comment meant shutter the factory and put me out of work.
Gotta get back to work, I could write volumes about our stupid mistakes.

Our airlines didn't come back stronger after Bankruptcy.
Our auto industry's competetion is heavily subsidised. Japan and europe will eat our lunch literally.

You can analyse this all you want ... this was a sub par candidate from a sub par party. The best from the right would have only failed by getting closer. Instead of getting called @ 11:16 like CNN did, he's have delayed that an hour maybe.

The country is slowly moving left via legal immigration.
The country is rapidly moving left via illegal immigration.

The only way to avert disaster IMHO is to use the Illegals as a lever to get the legals into play, or atleast less of the illegals into play.

These are the facts: Illegals of today will vote more for the left. So getting them to citizenship is not the way.
The legal immigrants are standing by appalled @ the rapid rise of the illegal. So are the core demographics of the right. White men.

I can see a scenario where the 14th amendment gets repealed, and illegal immigration gets killed off. The legal immigrants would need to see the right doing that. That will flip most legal immigrants to the right. Make it easier for legal immigration from other countries ... and you get a bigger chunk. All the while you keep the white guy vote.

BTW you stop spouting off crap about rape ... and you may get white women.
Tax the rich, you would get fewer funds but more votes from the middle class that are carrying all the tax burden.

The republicans are never going to gain the immigrant vote outright via reform to the immigration system ... the best hope is to get enough of the immigrants and the middle class of all stripes while retaining the core white base.

If the republicans do get say 10million immigrants on to citizenship ... the best plit of that would be 60/40 to democrats. Now you're 2 million votes short. Further the white base will be more alienated and they will abandon the republicans. You're now more than 2million votes short.

If they properly enforce all the laws on the books - properly deport and prevent illegals and get the 14th repealed ... they will essentially alienate - see I dont think they will alienate any non mexican immigrant. They will get me to flip, and I am sure many many more indians and chinese etc etc ... we dont want to see this country turn into "the united states of mexico".

Simple: 1. Deport all illegals and repeal the 14th - and you gain legal immigrants from non mexican countries, 2. Tax the rich and you gaim middle class conservatives, 3. Stop spouting about rape and you get women.

DTS for short. I dont think there is any real way other than that.

The GOP is never going to gain a majority among mexicans. Especially not is the WH is in democratic hands. You cannot explain it to them, mexicans dont consume any media for the politics. And worse yet if they do bring the mexicans in, they lose more than the amount the brought in, in the white vote.

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Srinath.

...he also appears to be a kind of orange color...I wonder about this...health issue?

"I believe it is those that will not work hard that elected Obama to his second term. If you take out the votes from all those on the "Government Freebie" dole and count only the votes of those that are working and paying taxes to fund the handouts Mitt wins with a comfortable margin." ZAR

I guess you mean the 47% of Americans who are moochers and takers. What nonsense. Takers?? Everyone who voted for Obama won't work?? Government Freebies?? The dole?? That's crazy talk. You watch too much FOX noise.

Get real, everyone is working harder than ever to stay afloat, two, three jobs for many. Most Americans now know hard work does not guarantee ANYTHING. People work their ass off but their raise's, and pension's now go to the 1%. The working class is trying to pay their mortgage and put food on the table for what the billionaire owners pay them.

No offence, but I'll bet there are more "trailer trash" white people on the dole in Kentucky than most other states. And I'll also bet that a good portion of them would love to work but they can't breathe after 15 or 20 years working in a coal mine. And I'll bet that a lot of them lost their jobs because when the mines and factories closed up shop because profits were falling off and they decided to move on to greener pastures. Ill bet a lot of them would like to work but their lousy minimum wage jobs were shipped off to China or India where they can pay their workers even less.

Are you also a millionaire like Webster? Or are you just one lottery ticket away from being a millionaire?...either way, shut off FOX, and hate radio, and begin to think for yourself.