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Reply #45 - 11/07/12 at 21:22:39
 
The democrats did a very poor job of explaining it before it happened.

A Poor Job? Really>? YOu think its a "Poor Job" of explaining it when Pelosi comes out & says
Youll have to pass it in order to find out whats in it...?

Why did we not send a delegation around to other countries to see how they did it & copy the good parts & avoid the bad parts? Not because no one thot of it, but because it is agenda driven with political goals to achieve built into it,. Its done very poorly & will have us all crying in 5 years or less. & it could have been done much better, just by looking at how nits done in other places,.
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Reply #46 - 11/08/12 at 00:01:58
 
JOG and Serowbot,

there is one fundamental difference between the European Health System and the US Health System: HOSPITALS.

In Europe, hospitals were established as early as 400BC based on the Egyptian model in use as far as 3000BC+; I am not kidding you, all Greek cities had a hospital of sorts where the ill and the contaminated were invited - or commandeered - to go. They were run by the Temple Priests - medicine being considered not "magic" or "sorcery" but a "secret science" which only the Initiated were allowed to learn.
OK, odd, but the system worked.

Imperial Rome had a network of hospitals throughout the land.
Every single Legion had its Field Hospital with trained surgeons and medics.

In the Middle Ages... the first half, known as Dark Ages, you could knock at a Monastery and hope the local "herbiculturist" or "surgeon" would take a look at you under the Abbott's permission, but generally health care was limited to the wealthy, and the poor relied on local village herborists... which to the monks appeared as "witches" because they knew things unknown to the monks themselves...

Come the second half of the Middle Ages, after the Crusades and the Middle East experience of the Knights in shining armor... what had they seen, what had they learned? That in Jerusalem, the local Muslim rulers had implemented hospices for the ill and the contaminated, open to all, Pilgrims of all Faiths... (!!!)

So, soon, the Princes and Dukes openes Hospices in their own initiative back home, and since the 11th Century this was the rule in any major town or city in Europe; wherever you go, you will always find a hospice of sorts run by either the local Abbey or the local Prince.

So Hospitals today are PUBLIC because they either belong to the STATE or to the CHURCH.

So, what about the US ?

Firstly, I do not know if there are any "state" hospitals; I am aware of a few "County Hospitals" but are they really run by the County, or are they called such simply because they are the only hospital in said County?

Secondly, most hospitals bear names such as "Mt.Lebanon" or "1st Methodist" Hospital which means they were established not by the State or by the Church (meant as the global religious community) but by the local community, and having no State funds as such they MUST be run like a business.

In order for the State of... Connecticut (see, I can spell it!) to run a European-style Health System, it should first of all BUY major shares in ALL hospitals state-wide, in order to have a say in their Board of Directors and possibly more...
but...
...how much would this cost? Would such a REVOLUTION be acceptable to the tax-payer ?

I am afraid not.

So, what happens is that the current system will never be changed, other than ensuring that the ones with the lowest incomes be freed from the risk of having to die or remain crippled because they cannot afford specific treatment, and their insurance will coldly deny any form of funding.

See "The Rain Maker"

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Reply #47 - 11/08/12 at 00:46:34
 
What a hodgepodge... and the US is much worse...

From what I understand,..there are 4 types of hospital here...
...county or state... mostly for indigent, and poor...
...religious,.. which is for-profit, but somehow church affiliated...
...educational,.. related to medical training, but still for-profit, with a collection of med students and teachers on staff...(research happens here)...
... and private,.. strictly a commercial enterprise..

I have no clue which is better... I guess it depends on why you're there... Huh...

... but, to my mind.. hospital, should be for emergency, and surgery...
... private practice doctors,.. should be for the rich... or chronically ill...

... and the most efficient general care, comes from clinics...
This is a collection of medical experts... doctors, nurses, lab, test, and x-ray... that can handle medical needs that don't require major surgery, or chronic care...
Coughs, colds, flu,.. cuts, bruises, broken bones, etc...
One facility, that can triage, test, diagnose, and treat or refer the patient to a specialist or hospital if needed...
Cheaper, faster, and more convenient... for basically healthy people in need of care...

The system here,.. is emergency room, for those without insurance... or a gauntlet of private doctors, separate labs, and test centers, and specialist doctors, for those with insurance...

Clinics,.. offer "one stop" care... to take care of all symptom analysis and treatment up to the point of needing specialist treatment or surgery and hospitalisation...

A for-profit system,.. does not encourage this type of care.. too efficient...
There's more money in the gauntlet of care... gatekeeper, refers for tests, back to gatekeeper, refer to specialist,.. refer to surgeon,  refer to hospital... where all of them drop in to collect fees...and then run the gauntlet in reverse for post-op check-ups and advising...
In America,.. you either don't get decent care, or you get too much...
You either go straight to the emergency room, and get kicked out fast... or you run around in a mad circle of appointments to get what everybody knows you need...
We are a medical mess...

My hope,.. is that a single provider system (eventually,... Obamacare is only a prototype),.. will encourage a unity of purpose that will make care more efficient and effective...
Healthcare is more effective and efficient almost anywhere but here...

PS.. I'm British born,.. and have lived in England, Germany, and the US...
(Care in the US is the worst...  although, military care works well and is efficient)... I'm a military brat...
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