very cool.   Something I wish I would have gotten into myself long ago.

 
Yup, I think I'm that ignorant.

I also think I've paid more attention to the new developments in that industry than you have.

So, you can be the voice for Intel and Microsoft and I can be the voice for the future of computing.

First test for my "future" is that Intel gets dumped out of Apple laptops (time: next year).

Second test is that cell phones pick up the ability to run a remote screen, keyboard and mouse wirelessly from your pocket (time: two years).

Third test is that an ARM OS system begins to do more of the hard stuff, gaming, graphics, CAD (time: three years).

Fourth test is PC as a full sized box like we think of it today goes away pretty much completely as a new sale type item (time: 4 years).

Last test is this all starts to happen quicker than I expect ... tick tock timing increases to say 8 months for each tick and for each tock.

Now Cavi, what is your future like?  Can you explain what the future is going to be (other than water cooled cell phones that is)?

Oldfeller--FSO wrote on 11/09/12 at 13:23:39:


Water cooled cell-phones? Seriously? That's what you go out of my post?

Anyways...

I don't think anyone ever saw it coming that Intel would even be considered for making Apple processors but when the rumours went flying around, people were pretty blown away. Intel doesn't need Apple like you seem to think. Intel already has 80% of the CPU market. Something you probably didn't know.

The future of computing will be pretty much exactly where it is and has been for quite some time. Intel vs AMD with the overclockers, Apple with the artists, and a bunch of little children running around playing with their shiny toys (google, android, whatever else pops up).

Sure, I'd love to see ARM jump into the real PC market but I'm not ignorant enough to believe it will happen in 10 years considering ARM is already 20 years old. I'd be more apt to believe Linux would be in the market especially considering almost every major player develops drivers and whatnot to keep compatibility but alas, Linux only holds 2% of the market.

I think it's you that needs to do a bit more research or maybe join a decent computer forum like http://www.overclock.net so you can keep real tabs on what's going on. Obviously you're only paying attention to the technology and not the real life points.


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I know what I just typed sounded like I was directly comparing ARM and Linux but I wasn't since one is obviously hardware and one is software. I was simply stating how good both are yet neither of them can get a real foothold in the real PC market.

Oldfeller--FSO wrote on 11/09/12 at 18:31:10:

Hot new item will be about 24 arm boards hot wired into a pc box  

smart phones have to ramp up yearly to replace the beta phones from the year before  

verslagen1 wrote on 11/09/12 at 18:34:26:


    not that they haven't done that already



My goodness, you know what they call that don't you?   A working man's supercomputer.



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What happens when you don't bust apart a whole rack of little stick PCs?

Why, you have a Stagecoach board, which is 1/28^th of a Stagecoach Suitcase Supercomputer.

http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Sandia-StrongBox-and-Gumstix-Stagecoach/



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Here is an Ubuntu server rack (ARM chips)



http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/ZT-Systems-R1801e-/



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Seriously, Caldexra and the Barcelona Project have each built a serious ARM supercomputer, they worked fine and drew less than 24% of the juice required by equivalent horsepower Intel based supercomputers.  

This has prompted both ARM and AMD to declare that AMD is going into in the ARM supercomputer business using the new 64 bit ARM server designs.   There is potentially a BIG NEW market here as this energy costs SAVINGS in a data center would pay for the new data center in a year or so.

This at least offers AMD a future, if they can survive the wolves of winter that is ....

Now cluster computing with ARM processors I can see as a good benefit and a possible replacement for current desktop computers IF the software support is written to support it.

Server wise the cluster computing software is already there, might just need a little tweaking to support the ARM arch, but for server stuff cluster support is already there.  

One other area that the ARM arch still needs to support that I haven't seen yet is PCI-E so that it can support hardware raid cards and more powerful Video Cards then what is available on the SOC's.  

As I said before to you OldFeller I'm not against the ARM's and I'm very intrigued by them and have bought a few of the hackberry boards and also just put in an order for one of the cubieboards as well since the hackberry's will end up being for the kiddo's the cubie will be my play toy since it has all the extra pin-outs for the gpio's and such where the hackberry doesn't. The cubie board also has the ability to directly drive a LCD panel via the LVDS pins on the pin-outs as well, plus alot of the other features available on the pin-outs that the A10 chip has are there as well.  Now the Hackberry boards are gonna be perfect for what I have in mind for the kids, but for me really finding what the A10 can do and what is really available in most of it's features the cubie seems like the perfect board for that atm, at least from a pricing stand point.

Oldfeller--FSO wrote on 11/10/12 at 01:22:14:

Yes for casual users until they get the cluster support done and PCI-E or what ever comes after that for the higher horse power graphics engines I will agree that the progress of these little ARM arch designs are gonna eventually be a very nice and cheaper alternative to desktops where the user is only in need of something for internet, email and basic office type applications, They should also do well for some light gaming such as those that work well with the Android type OS's, Java based games, and also those that are internet based that don't rely to heavily on the clients computer for heavy graphics processing.  They will also do well for doing multi-media applications as well,  it would just be nice if services such as netflix would take that one additional step and make it compatible with linux which they can do since they have already ported it to work with Android.


For me this is gonna be just a play toy to see what all I can find out about building on the ARM arch for linux side of things since all I've done so far is Android.  Also since I went with the Cubie board for myself I'll have access to a whole lot more of the features that I can play with to see what all I can make this little thing do.  I'm vary anxious to get this thing in hand so I can start playing around with it just to see what it's capable of doing.  Heck it may just be the perfect thing for a project that I had planned on doing a few years ago but never got started on because I never could find the proper development board to fit the needs for the base of the project.

R.F.