I'm surprised Apple doesn't buy AMD and cut everybody off at the knees.   That way they would also control their own chip supply.   They have more money than the US Gubernut and God put together.

hrmmm  these little chips sound like the perfect thing for doing my next server with.  I can hold out that long before I need to re-build it.

 
http://www.computing.co.uk/ctg/news/2108712/arm-windows-systems-wont-run-wind...

We sorta knew this was the case from all the way back in 2011, but there was a vague "future plan to make available" referred to several times (given out by lower level Microsoft people later on at seminars, etc).

Now MicroChoke and Intel seem to have reaffirmed their marriage vows together and the ARM processors are back to being illegitimate step children.  

Wintel to the bitter end (be it sooner or later).  



I am waiting for them super duper killer chips to come out from Intel to keep this from being a somewhat dead end or "abusive marital relationship".

Otherwise, 'ol MicroChoke isn't gonna wind up being totally faithful to the marriage come Win9 time as they don't have to go down into the dust if Intel can't carry their new little super chip baby to term.

Annulments can happen in cases of documented barrenness,  check out your history books.    

 
In a cell phone world where tick-tock happens, but it happens twice as fast and chip power goes up by 3-6x Moore's law each 18 months instead of just doubling, the old school PC world where a Windows version lasts 3-5 years just isn't going to cut it.

Windows 8 was noticeably not up to snuff on tablets the day it came out (no talkee to your tablet, certainly no talkee back from your Win8 surface machine) -- what will that level of behind be like after Apple and Google tweak at each other for another 6-12 months, driving their mutual mad rush to <20 nanometers to totally eclipse Intel's 22 nanometer technology and Microsoft's latest & greatest just released (already behind) Win8 technology level?

Wintel holds to the pace they are going at now, they will be competing with the cheap Chinese chip guys for the year old leftovers (and not price competitive at all in their "chosen marketplace").

Watch Wine/Reactos -- if it comes to fruit (mostly based off of a Wine basis like it is now) then MS really has no grip upon it legally.  Wine can run most older x86 software now on Linux (and Android IS Linux) so a Google/Ubuntu supported Wine/Reactos/Android "run anything" might well come to pass if MS remains stubborn.

If you can suddenly run ALL your old x86 favorite softwares off a ARM chipset and MS won't do the same, who needs MS anymore?  

Of course, if Intel comes up with a wonder chip that clearly outperforms ARM 64 at an equivalent price point, then MS has a place to hang that stubborn hat.   But they need that super chip at a price competitive point and they need it SOON.

But 'ol Intel isn't going to be able to get $999.99 for a new generation chip any more, not when the competition's latest greatest sells for $33-50 a chip.   It simply isn't going to happen any more.

Intel still sells a lot of chips to a lot of people, but as these products are redesigned to use the lower cost similar power ARM chip their other markets will evaporate just like the PC and Server markets are doing.

Trying to keep ARM out by refusing to give full Windows support for it intentionally is sorta stupid in the long run, actually.   x86 software vendors might just write some ARM versions and then where are you, Microsoft?

Google Nexus 7 (with speech commands and reply) $199.99   (current sales at over 1 million per month)

Amazon Kindle Fire (load Google Now for speech) $199.99  (current sales at just under a million per month)

Apple IPad 3s  (with speach commands and reply) $499.99  (peak sales at 3 million on first weekend it came out)

Win8 Surface (no talkee) $599.99 ($699 with the keyboard cover)  (sales figures being held secret -- rumored to be only 50,000 units sold on introduction weekend)


                       

So, for the price of the keyboard cover, I can almost buy another Nexus 7 or a Amazon Kindle Fire for my wife?

Are you just anti-Intel or something? Until ARM starts taking over the PC market (which is a LOOOONG ways off) Intel doesn't have to change much.

And when I say PC market I actually means PC's, not those stupid tablets that are only good for being large cel-phones without the actual phone function.

Cavi Mike wrote on 11/09/12 at 09:05:38:



Cavi,  Intel is missing the boat, failing to show up at the game, not watching the baby.  

Making great big power hungry chips to go into PCs is fine, they have that down to an art and are the best that there is at doing that, no argument (give it a year or so and we might have to talk again).

But the PC as we know it is ENDING within the next 5-10 years, replaced by a phone that sits in your pocket and that phone can run your keyboard and your mouse and your screen from your pocket.

Now, you and I may still be typing on our old PCs because they will still work and we won't throw them away.   But we won't be buying a new one, not a Hewlett Packard from Best Buy anyway because they won't exist any more.  (both companies are already in trouble)

There will still be some business uses for a real PC, same uses that used to run on the old SUN workstation level machines.   CAD, graphics, heavy duty database applications and that sort of stuff that needs some real horsepower to run.    But these things can also live at a server farm and you just run a lighter application through the web for input data and printing and such.  

The normal person will be running software that hasn't even been invented yet through their personal data center (which they carry in their pocket).

Cost will drive this change.   Intel gets more money right now just for the main CPU on a new generation PC than an entire new top end cell phone costs.  They can't get away with this in a future where the phone can do everything a PC can do, from your pocket no less.   Unless somebody really NEEDS that PC for work related something nobody is going to shell out the dollars for one.

verslagen1 wrote on 11/09/12 at 11:26:16:

What industry is it you work in verslagen?

About the only thing I use MicroSuck for anymore is the very few games I play and also the video transcoding software I use for getting all my movies on my home server.  Everything else I can do in Linux,  well almost if I want to stream from Netflix I have to be in Winblows but other then that Linux is what I use for most everything anymore. I'm sure I could do the transcoding in Linux as well just haven't really looked into it yet.  What I use for decoding the DVD's and Blu-Rays is only in WinBlows compatible format right now and that really sucks but I'm hoping one day they will release a Linux version.

R.F.