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Reply #15 - 10/30/12 at 17:14:34
 
I'm wondering if drilling holes in the baffles would have about the same effect, with no work other than whatever rejetting might be needed. Anybody monitoring this thread tried it with the S40/Savage and can compare to installing the Dyna muffler?
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Reply #16 - 10/30/12 at 17:29:06
 
Its been done, some who did it said they liked the result, otyhers, not so much, The Dyna weighs considerably less, is more attractive than any other Common muffler, tho I gotta hand it to Brave Teacher for puttin together a fine looking muffler, with that brass insert & all. His took some time, a Dyna is a grab & go kinda deal, except for havin a muffler shop build up an angled tube to join it to the header, I think some have managed to dodge that, but, wouldnt swear to it.,
My opinion? The stock exhaust is nothing short of hideous,.few others disagree.
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Re: +/- of drilling or replacing muffler
Reply #17 - 10/30/12 at 18:11:18
 
DavidOfMA wrote on 10/30/12 at 09:43:09:
Thanks. I'm getting the idea that the Harley muffler is preferred by most, but wondering what advantages of the SuperTrapp are for the one respondent who likes it here. Also wondering what advantage the Harley muffler has over just drilling some holes in the stock muffler baffles. What kind of rejetting is typically needed if I go the Harley muffler route? Right now, the bike backfires badly and I'm hoping going up a size in the pilot jet will fix that, along with readjusting the idle mix screw. Will I need to modify those changes if I go with a less restrictive muffler?


I've actually got a Jardine on mine (which I got for cheap slightly used from one of our members here).  It's quite loud under hard throttle, but I like it. Without tearing into the carbuerator to check, I believe mine has already been re-jetted for a less restrictive exhaust, even though it had the fairly restrictive stock exhaust.

Mine had the unmodified stock exhaust when I got it...it sounded like I was riding a sewing machine.  Grin  I drilled 4 x 1/2" holes in my stock exhaust.  It became a little louder and deeper...but sounded like I was riding an old Volkswagon Beetle (it had that metallic ping from the baffles in the stock exhaust). I then snagged the Jardine from a member here, and I'm pretty happy with it.

Drill the stock exhaust first since that's free.   Wink

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Reply #18 - 10/30/12 at 22:23:52
 
I have no experience with the Dyna and that is the route I will eventually take more than likely.

I have an 07 s40 and def wanted a louder and deeper exhaust, I started by drilling 4 1/2 inch holes and it was louder and deeper but still pretty weak. I then moved to 4 3/8ths of an inch holes and it sounds 10 times better. Much louder and deeper sounds more like a motorcycle rather than a toy. It still isnt as loud or deep as I would like but for the price of free you cannot beat it. I have not rejet mine and I cannot notice any problems at all. I do still have the pops under decceleration though.

I would start with drilling 1/2 inch holes and see how you like it, then if you want more I would move up to 3/8ths.
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Reply #19 - 10/30/12 at 22:31:00
 
YOur drill bit index is set up a bit different than mine, I think.,,

Mine has the 3/8ths just in a slightly smaller hole than the 1/2 inch..

1/2 X 4/4 = 4/8 = 1/2"
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Reply #20 - 10/31/12 at 06:45:22
 
Ended up w/ 5/16" hole size here. I like it. My bro's Dana sounds a little better, but it sure isn't any faster,....and both w/ stock jets, both on '07s
And after 4 yrs, his Dana still leaks at the muff inlet.
Its only fair to warn you (read dozens of posts here) that a Dana install is not straight forward,.....that most who have done it are still fighting leaks. So unless you are a real exhaust leak technition, or a good welder, think twice before ditching the stock exhaust. Myself, I like "original"
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Reply #21 - 10/31/12 at 09:41:20
 
My 1990 came to me with the stock muffler drilled like the post above.  I never had a problem with the sound.  It was a bit throatier than stock and obviously cheaper than even a Dyna as it is no cost.  I don't know if it was rejetted as I never bothered to look.  The biggest difference between mine and my wife's stock 2004 was hers did the popping on deceleration and mine didn't.
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Re: +/- of drilling or replacing muffler
Reply #22 - 10/31/12 at 09:54:33
 
I'm not looking to make the sound louder, deeper, or more "cool," just to make the bike run better. Not clear, from people who have done it, that drilling out the baffles actually makes a noticeable difference in performance. Or does it?

In terms of adding the Dyna muffler, what kinds of performance improvements, if any, do you notice? I'd be particularly interested in acceleration improvements at highway speeds, as I don't feel as maneuverable as I'd like to there.
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Reply #23 - 10/31/12 at 10:26:22
 
Just a muffler won't give you "dramatic" performance gains... even a K/N air filter, exhaust port match, muffler, and rejet... will only give 3 to 5 hp's...
That equals a subtle but noticeable gain....
10% to 20% gain...

Just a muffler,.. 5% to 10%...

A Harley shorty,... sounds better, is lighter, better made, and looks better...
.. and it breathes just a bit better... other brands will make more noise,.. but little difference in performance...
Sometimes the sound gives the illusion of more gain,.. but it ain't magic...
Advertisers want you think it is... Huh...

Drilling out a stock muffler is mostly a sound modification...
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Reply #24 - 10/31/12 at 10:41:11
 
IMO, even If the Dyna offered zero change in sound & power, its a step up in look & ya lose a few pounds. But, ya do get a better sound, & it flows easier. YOu may or may not need a rejet,
If it was mine, Id get the OEM muffler off, just to make it easy on the muffler people & to make sure they didnt mess things up yanking/beating on the Trash Can, Ride it to the shop, let it cool off & show them what youre trying to do. Id definitely call ahead, make sure theyll do it for a reasonable price.

Waitaminnit,, Havent some people made the switch w/o having to have a bent part made? You spose theres some tiny swing in the header in or out that makes it work easier?

Anyway, If you can get some help & get the thing on w/o leaks, youll like the heck out of it I think,, Or, look at that thing Brave Teacher did, Thats a nice look, not a ton O $$, just add talent, skill & ability,,

Dont forget to take T-Clamps.
Id think a properly flared & slotted adapter with a good clamp would not leak, The adapter otta not run $20.00,, I dont think it should be more than $10.00, unless you get stainless, which would be nice, but it will go behind a shield. There are shields available that are straight, to replace that flared thing that goes to the Trash Can.
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Reply #25 - 10/31/12 at 13:29:22
 
I dunno, 10% is a pretty big gain in my book. I'd have to call that dramatic for something as simple as a different muffler and air-filter. There aren't too many vehicles out there that will gain 10% from that. That's usually something a turbocharged vehicle will gain.
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Reply #26 - 10/31/12 at 15:43:57
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 10/30/12 at 22:31:00:
YOur drill bit index is set up a bit different than mine, I think.,,

Mine has the 3/8ths just in a slightly smaller hole than the 1/2 inch..

1/2 X 4/4 = 4/8 = 1/2"


Yeah it was late, I actually meant to say I started with 1/4 inch holes not 1/2.
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Re: +/- of drilling or replacing muffler
Reply #27 - 10/31/12 at 16:06:17
 
Cavi Mike wrote on 10/31/12 at 13:29:22:
I dunno, 10% is a pretty big gain in my book. I'd have to call that dramatic for something as simple as a different muffler and air-filter. There aren't too many vehicles out there that will gain 10% from that. That's usually something a turbocharged vehicle will gain.

On a 31hp bike,.. that's only 3 horsies..  
I'm putting out about 34hp now...  

3 more horsies just feels like your bike got out of the right side of the bed today...
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Re: +/- of drilling or replacing muffler
Reply #28 - 10/31/12 at 22:40:57
 
Routy wrote on 10/31/12 at 06:45:22:
And after 4 yrs, his Dana still leaks at the muff inlet.
Its only fair to warn you (read dozens of posts here) that a Dana install is not straight forward,.....that most who have done it are still fighting leaks. So unless you are a real exhaust leak technition, or a good welder, think twice before ditching the stock exhaust. Myself, I like "original"


My experience as well. I had the Dyna but it leaked like heck. Supertrappp or the original is best in my opinion. I like the look of the Dyna but the super is cool too!!
This mine  Cheesy

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Reply #29 - 11/01/12 at 00:04:52
 
Hey, Hero7, did you do the whole install on the Dyna or did you get an adapter made at a muffler shop?
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