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Oldfeller--FSO Serious Thumper ModSquad Offline Hobby is now "concentrated neuropany" Posts: 12673 Fayetteville, NC Gender:	Considering a new bike, with this transmission 10/25/12 at 17:32:47 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0fpZzBc8AM
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Greg Serious Thumper Offline Molon Labe Posts: 1251 Southeast PA, uSA Gender:	Re: Considering a new bike, with this transmission Reply #1 - 10/25/12 at 17:41:28 I think it would take the fun out of riding.
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28670 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Considering a new bike, with this transmission Reply #2 - 10/25/12 at 17:56:11 I would miss my shift pops... ...
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v-pilot Senior Member Offline Loud bikes rule! Posts: 257 Rexford NY Gender:	Re: Considering a new bike, with this transmission Reply #3 - 10/25/12 at 18:53:18 I'd miss my missed shifts?
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heroicseven Full Member Offline oops, I broke it. Posts: 245 San Diego Gender:	Re: Considering a new bike, with this transmission Reply #4 - 10/25/12 at 19:05:27 Looks cool to me!
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Re: Considering a new bike, with this transmission
Reply #5 - 10/25/12 at 19:30:10

In broad terms, that's the same way current automotive automatic transmissions work. They, too, shift gears by engaging and disengaging clutches. They usually use planetary gearsets which remain engaged at all times instead of discrete gearchanges as in the video. The problem with motorcycle automatic transmissions was, and still is, controlling the timing of the shift so it cannot break drive wheel traction under, say, extreme cornering conditions. Decades ago Honda said that was why they had not put automatic transmissions on Gold Wings. Presumably the newer drive-by-wire circuits, along with traction control, lean angle sensors, and much better computational power has solved the problem.

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Paraquat Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2206	Re: Considering a new bike, with this transmission Reply #6 - 10/25/12 at 19:49:28 No lift to shift, baby! Seriously though, I don't have dips that big when I shift. --Steve
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Oldfeller--FSO Serious Thumper ModSquad Offline Hobby is now "concentrated neuropany" Posts: 12673 Fayetteville, NC Gender:	Re: Considering a new bike, with this transmission Reply #7 - 10/25/12 at 20:02:15 Technology as "enabling" lazy old men to ride even longer .....
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28888 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Considering a new bike, with this transmission Reply #8 - 10/25/12 at 20:04:03 Oldfeller--FSO wrote on 10/25/12 at 20:02:15: Technology as "enabling" lazy old men to ride even longer ..... funny how the ad banner is displaying the spider again.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Considering a new bike, with this transmission Reply #9 - 10/25/12 at 20:39:28 I couldnt stay with the ad,, too much trying to convince me Id like it instead of explaining how it works.. If theyd just give me the facts, ILL decide if I want it,
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Re: Considering a new bike, with this transmission
Reply #10 - 10/25/12 at 23:01:13

It's the way of the world. When autos first appeared in cars enthusiasts talked about "slush boxes". Today most passenger cars are autos, as are city sevice buses and many trucks and equipment. The "slush box" has given way to the Tiptronic and other autos. Mercedes ran a survey that showed that even their sports customers preferred autos. I probably won't be riding in 20 years time when most bikes will have this technology. Can't afford the $ to buy one, insure one, service one. Stuck with the S40 and few regrets.

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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28670 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Considering a new bike, with this transmission Reply #11 - 10/26/12 at 00:09:18 Just learn to speedshift,... and that dip becomes a bump... ...
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J C Stokes Full Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 159	Re: Considering a new bike, with this transmission Reply #12 - 10/26/12 at 00:50:58 What's speed shift? If it's without the clutch, no thanks.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Considering a new bike, with this transmission Reply #13 - 10/26/12 at 03:10:01 I shift w/o the clutch a lot, its easy & its way quick.
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Re: Considering a new bike, with this transmission
Reply #14 - 10/26/12 at 05:07:07

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 10/26/12 at 03:10:01:

I shift w/o the clutch a lot, its easy & its way quick.

The Owner's Manual for the S40 doesn't seem to mention clutchless shifting as an acceptable practice, although it does work. The manual for my Yamaha 250 Star does mention it, says the transmission is not designed for it, and can be damaged by doing it.

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