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Reply #45 - 10/18/12 at 20:38:22
 
I just made a post about this on Facebook because I was tired of seeing all the "Love Obama" posts.

He is a civil right's attorney who suspended Habeas Corpus and gave the green light to assassinate American citizens without trial.

He is a civil right's attorney who wants to infringe upon your constitutional rights. He wants to enact another fire arms ban. It's going to be a bad, slippery slope this time. I can feel it.
Why does he want you unarmed? So you're not a threat when he enacts martial law. Which is the next step after suspending Habeas Corpus. Lincoln did it in 1864... which was during the Civil War - which was strictly, only, and entirely about freeing the slaves. No other motives at all, I'm sure.

You heard it right there from Midnight. They felt they were being "invaded"

http://www.sott.net/article/238844-US-Suspend-Habeas-Corpus-and-Enact-Martial...


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Reply #46 - 10/18/12 at 20:44:05
 
Star I know you well enough that no matter where I live you'll always like and respect me and I the same with you.. We both know wars are the leaders fault, not the peon on the front line. The Civil war for a lot of southerners was just protecting their home and family. I'm not saying the South was right' anything but that but a lot of good people had to shoot back or die.  I live in the midst of a bunch of frigging idiots, civil war reinactors, klansmen etc. I'm just as disgusted with the BS as you are. I thought I had many friends at the company I worked for for 37 years, I had to leave when I became ill with Lupus. There's only one guy I worked with who has called me every week to check and see how I'm doing since I left 4 years ago. He's a Mexican. One of the regular visitors to my house is a Black retired State Patrolman. We play with RC Models. He arrested me in 1991 for DWI LOL. Being a musician I have worked and enjoyed working with several different nationalities. We're different but we're all the same. I judge people by the way they treat me, not by the color of their skin. Its the Whitey Wall St and Banker SOB's that are destroying this country, not the immigrants. For those of you out there who insist on being pregidous there's a good place to start.
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Reply #47 - 10/18/12 at 21:28:53
 
Paraquat, Obama has had 4 years to do something about firearms and he's done nothing. As far as the record Bush was tougher on firearms than Obama. He's had every right to with Gabby being shot and the movie theater massacre but he hasnt. The military has been developing microwaves that will melt us all in the streets includind your AK47 you're holding in your hand. Nothing you have locked in your closet can protect you, might make you feel better having it but the military has something better. They can fly a plane of chemicals over your property and in a few hrs you'll be lying on the floor dead beside your AK47. Our guns they allow us to have are a joke and Washington knows it. Name one freedom you've lost in the last four years, just one. I'm anything but in love with Obama but I consider him the lesser of the two evils. W got us in this mess and its gonna take someone who thinks differently to get us out if thats possible. More tax cuts to the rich and large corporations will put us in the deepest depression ever. I could never bring myself to vote for a man who has offshore accounts to avoid taxes and then calls 47% of the population moochers. That more than explains the mans character.
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Reply #48 - 10/18/12 at 22:18:08
 
Obama gun ban?? This false meme is addressed to lowest of the low information voters.

Evidently, partisans on certain issues will believe anything, and the Repubs are more than willing to exploit that gullibility.



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Reply #49 - 10/18/12 at 22:41:31
 
Take away the partisan myths and the gullible Christians and all that would be left of the Republican party would be Wall St.
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Reply #50 - 10/19/12 at 00:11:24
 
Im gonna hafta guess you guys also failed to grasp the meaning of the NDAA,, it was demanded By Bammy that the language that would allow YOU to be disappeared be included, And, if you dont believe he is hostile to the 2nd, youre not paying attention.,
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Reply #51 - 10/19/12 at 02:01:03
 
JOG I'm paying attention. Woohohoho, Get Ready, get ready here it comes,now get ready cause here it comes   http://www.naturalnews.com/037603_FEMA_mass_fatalities_planning.html   Just aint a frigging thing I can do about it. The writing is on the wall but no one will read it. The monuments, the secret societies that killed Kenedy, the Federal Reserve screwing us, the false terrorist alerts, the uncalled for stupid wars. I honestly believe the powers that be (not Washington) want Obama to lose hoping for a civil race war so they can try out their new toys. That explains the above link. If the vote is real close like when Gore actually beat Bush you can expect riots. They keep pumping just enough money to Romney to make the polls almost even. Pretty good timing on the above link.
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Reply #52 - 10/19/12 at 02:09:39
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 10/19/12 at 00:11:24:
Im gonna hafta guess you guys also failed to grasp the meaning of the NDAA,, it was demanded By Bammy that the language that would allow YOU to be disappeared be included, And, if you dont believe he is hostile to the 2nd, youre not paying attention.,

They cant take our guns away from us, there's no way ever to prove who owns what. Jog you have the knowlege to build your own gun. They're gonna melt them in our hands.
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Reply #53 - 10/19/12 at 06:11:19
 
Midnightrider wrote on 10/18/12 at 21:28:53:
Name one freedom you've lost in the last four years, just one.


Habeas Corpus.
http://patriot-newswire.com/2012/01/the-ndaa-and-suspension-of-habeas-corpus-...

Ever hear of his "Kill list"?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/world/obamas-leadership-in-war-on-al-qaeda....

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Reply #54 - 10/19/12 at 07:16:15
 
OMG, again??? Again the fear and paranoia come down the road for all to see.. If you are an enemy combatant, you are only due the rules under the Geneva convention, terrorists are enemy combatants, period.. They do not have the same rights as a citizen of this USA, habeas corpus does not apply, you do have the right to a military tribunal, but they can hold you as long as they want.

 Kill list? Yep, we are after these people, these are also people that are enemy combatants, have comitted atrocities, acts of terror, they are enemies of the state.. So unless you want rage Jihad on the this nation, you have only lost the right to board an airplane without search..

  Obama said he would "Entertain" a assault gun ban IF it was the will of the people.. Entertaining something and actually doing it are two seperate items.. Hell, I entertain having a brand new Victory Cross roads, with all the bells and whistles, I also have entertained asking the foxy neighbor lady to a roll in the hay, but the wife would make Bobbits revenge look like childs play, thats fear!

  There will be plenty of warning if they come to take your guns, I have the materials on hand, and an area to cache mine for the future if needed.. The government has no way of tracking your guns, guns can be obtained today like going to seven eleven and buying a box of Juju beans.. Myself I don't care if you want to own a 105 Howitzer, but you had better be proficient with it and have a mental health screening to go with it!

  Fear is a False Evidence Appearing Real, real fear is when the rounds are striking near your head, real fear is hiding under a pile of fresh leaves and brush in the darkness of triple canopy jungle, listening to the voices of a company of NVA look for you, real fear is feeling rounds of .50 cal go through your aircraft at 1500 ft... Not a make believe conspriracy, invented by your or someone elses imagination.. You will have plenty of time in your life to experience real fear, do not invite it into your daily life for no good reason..

 Just a word of wisdom from an old man...  
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Reply #55 - 10/19/12 at 10:46:39
 
+1 Retread!!   It amazes me what some people believe.  Shocked

NO one is going to take our guns, NO one is going to start a civil war.....well maybe some total wacks from texas might try and be squashed like bugs in  about 3 hours, sheet people relax this man is half white with irish grandparents that served in WW2!  The people starting all this BS are FAR more of a threat to our country than Obama is!


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Reply #56 - 10/19/12 at 10:50:55
 
The gun industry must love liberal Democrats...  they sell so many guns spreading 2nd amendment paranoia...  
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Reply #57 - 10/19/12 at 11:15:25
 
Retread wrote on 10/19/12 at 07:16:15:
If you are an enemy combatant, you are only due the rules under the Geneva convention, terrorists are enemy combatants, period.. They do not have the same rights as a citizen of this USA, habeas corpus does not apply, you do have the right to a military tribunal, but they can hold you as long as they want.


Terrorists or not they are legal, documented, US citizens and should be allowed all the rights as other US citizens. If you start allowing any leniency, and exceptions, it becomes a slippery slope.

You want to monitor all civilians? Start simple.
We'll only tag prisoners and repeat offenders. No one will object to that.
Now we'll do it on pets. It'll be great. Lose your dog, scan the microchip, found your dog. No objections there, right? Although I did object and did not chip my dog when I adopted her.
It sets a precedent. Give it time.

Look at seat belt laws. Don't worry about them. It's just a supplementary law. Oh, we'll never pull you over for just a seat belt violation but if we get you for something else we might tack it on. We'll probably just give you a warning, no real harm.

Now seat belt check points are as prevalent as DUI check points.

I wouldn't say it's entirely fear. I'd say it's covering every avenue. Planning for every possible outcome.
Plan for the worst, hope for the best.


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Reply #58 - 10/19/12 at 14:59:24
 
You know. I love this forum's political section.
I love being able to share my opinion and this back and forth banter because at the end of the day I don't give a nuts. I'm not going to do anything about it except sit in my chain and cry over the internet. I don't care who wins or loses because, ideally, I'd like to watch the whole world burn to the ground.
I do like discussing, debating, making these posts but I would never take it any further.

On the way home I saw some d bag who had those lawn signs up for Obama and someone had put stickers all over it that said "TRAITOR".
I got a kick out of seeing that.


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Reply #59 - 10/19/12 at 19:39:51
 
YOure dead on in so many ways. I have to wonder how these lefties would have acted had Bush enacted these policies.. we are dealing with people who will accept or not accept something, depending on the source. If a dem does it, its good, a bub does the same thing, its bad, intellectual dishonesty.I never understood it, I saw it when I was a kid.. Its as stupid as racism.. YOu cant KNOW someones character because their great great great grandparents were born on a different continent,, As Napoleon Dynamite would say

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