Gyrobob
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I think I now see part of the problem with this discussion.
Some think countersteering happens only when you yank (or push) the bars one way to get the bike to rapidly tilt the other way. This is, in fact, countersteering. Deliberate countersteering. So, their definition of countersteering is: forcefully moving the handlebars one way to make a bike tilt the other way.
Some folks who understand deliberate countersteering don't realize the bars are always being manipulated back and forth to balance the bike, anyway, whether you are in a turn or not.
Some folks, like me, see countersteering as mere physics, whether done intentionally or not. Anytime the contact patches on the tires pull the bottom of the bike one way to make the bike tilt for natural balancing (just riding along in a straight line), or balancing in a turn, or getting leaned down in a turn in a hurry, THAT is countersteering. Simply a result of physics,... either done subconsciously or deliberately.
So, I could care less how much or little anyone restricts or expands their definition of countersteering. -- I know deep in my heart, it is simply physics, and that no one can ride a motorcycle without the bottom of the bike being moved around for balancing and/or rapid maneuvering. -- If anyone wants to think that countersteering occurs only when the bars are deliberately yanked to get the bike to hunker down in a turn, that is just wonderfully fine with me.
Maybe we could have own expanded definition of countersteering, done in two parts: -- Deliberate countersteering. Yank the bars one way to get the bike to rapidly lean the other, e.g., turn the bars to the right to get the bike to lean left. -- Inherent countersteering. Moving the bars around simply to keep from crashing. --- Moving the bars back and forth tiny amounts to keep the CG of the bike over the contact patches of the tires while riding in a straight line, usually done subconsciously. --- Moving the bars back and forth in a turn while they are turned a bit off of center in the direction of the turn to keep the bike steady and balanced in a turn.
it's all just countersteering to me.
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