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Paraquat Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2206	Re: The War On Religion Reply #15 - 09/23/12 at 11:32:20 Retread wrote on 09/23/12 at 07:58:49: The truth of it all, Jesus was either gay, or a large Black woman... --Steve
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Reply #16 - 09/24/12 at 05:39:06

Retread wrote on 09/23/12 at 07:58:49:

The truth of it all, Jesus was either gay, or a large Black woman... When she returns, she will be pissed! The world you are living in NOW is hell..

Who ever our creator is has a warped sense of humor, and has abandoned us, we had better adopt that same humor or we all will be subjected to a real hell on earth, Republican control.. Grin

Well He/She's got to have a ludicrous sense of humor, considering...

the platypus

the giant underwater louse

the vampire squid

the thorny devil

the hairy yeti crab

the vampire bat

"One size fits all" Grin

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Reply #17 - 09/24/12 at 20:46:57

( Webster doesn't know what 'snip' or 'source': means) and so raves and rants that I am plagiarizing someone else's thoughts when I post excerpts.)

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Mitt Romney is now saying that if he is elected president, he will emphasize the
role of God in American society and will not "take God out of the public square."
But that raises the question as to whose God will have a role in American society.

Although I am now a Realist I was raised Jewish in a society where most people
were Christians. From a Christian perspective they looked at themselves as Judaism 2.0.
While keeping the Old Testament they added a New Testament which superseded Judaism.
The added Jesus and the Holy Spirit. From a Jewish perspective Christianity was an
unauthorized sequel. These new Gods were not our Gods.

Mitt Romney however is a Mormon and the Mormons have a Third Testament to the Bible.
Mormons see themselves as Christianity 2.0 and Judaism 3.0. It also has the advantage of
being "Made in America". Perhaps Christians can appreciate what it's like when another
religion writes an unauthorized sequel.

The Book of Mormon is very different than the New Testament just as the New Testament
is very different than the Old Testament. It's not the same religion. That's why Mormons
come to Christian homes to try to convert Christians to Mormons.

Mitt Romney isn't just a Mormon, he's a Bishop in the Mormon Church. During the
Vietnam War era Romney spent years living in France as a missionary converting
European Christians to Mormons. So when Romney says that he will emphasize
the role of God in American society, what does he really mean? If Romney is putting
God on the table shouldn't we at least ask Romney what God he's talking about?

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mpescatori Serious Thumper Offline Romanum Thumperium Cavalco, yeaaah !!! Posts: 3547 Rome, Italy Gender:	Re: The War On Religion Reply #18 - 09/25/12 at 04:31:21 I will not delve into matters regarding the Presidential elections, but may I say this: Any "Book-thumping" Head of State is either a Pope, or an Ayatollah, or a Lama... ...or he's doing the wrong job.
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mbowman68 YaBB Newbies Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 12	Re: The War On Religion Reply #19 - 10/03/12 at 06:55:47 hey starlifter i just wanted to correct a couple of issues first of al the name Mormon is a nickname given by others we are members of the church of Jesus christ of latter day saints or LDS so as the name mentions we are christians the book of mormon is another testament of Jesus Christ. Just an FYI
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Reply #20 - 10/04/12 at 07:18:28

mbowman68 wrote on 10/03/12 at 06:55:47:

hey starlifter i just wanted to correct a couple of issues first of al the name Mormon is a nickname given by others we are members of the church of Jesus christ of latter day saints or LDS so as the name mentions we are christians the book of mormon is another testament of Jesus Christ. Just an FYI

I have read (parts of) the Book of Mormon, and fail to see where you have the claim to call yourselves "Christian", considering that :
1) Jesus - pronounced "yeh-soos" - is a Latin name; the Alglosaxons pronounce the name "Gee-soos" because they can't read Latin
2) Christ is the amputation of the Greek "Christòs", meaning "anointed" (Jesus was baptized by St.John in the River Jordan)

There is also a similar word "KRST" in Egyptian, which meant essentially the same as "Christ" but referred to Horus, the son of Osiris, the Father God...

...sound familiar ? Feel jelous ? You shouldn't, really, KRST is quite a few thousands of years older than Christ.

Considering that "the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" claims to originate from the teachings of the Golden Leaves - or Golden Tablets (never to be exhibited to the unbeliever... Huh

) (but, do they still exist) may I, as a Roman Catholic with 2000 years of documented history kindly comment that the average European sees you gentlemen - as well as the Jehovas' Witnesses - as a extravagant eccentricity of the New Continent.

I do not dismiss the hypothesis that the Son of God may well have preached elsewhere - the Incas were Monotheistic and practiced Communion, yet the Spanish Conquistadores forced them to convert to Christianity.
Tongue

What I do dismiss is that the preaching in the New World was done according to the names given in the Old World.
It just doesn't add up.
Had Jesus preached in... Scandinavia... he would have called himself Olaf, not Jesus again...

And if I sound obnoxious and arrogant, it's because I am defending my own Religion and my own Holy Scriptures from plagiarism... if you don't mind.

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Retread Senior Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 370	Re: The War On Religion Reply #21 - 10/04/12 at 07:49:49 I think Jesus may have been one of the biggest hoaxes ever played on mankind..
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Reply #22 - 10/05/12 at 01:53:48

Retread wrote on 10/04/12 at 07:49:49:

I think Jesus may have been one of the biggest hoaxes ever played on mankind..

You have a point.

See this website http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biblianazar/esp_biblianazar_33.htm

Some of what it says is quite obvious in Europe, where cathedrals and abbeys are often 800, 1000 years old.

Some of what it says is just as obvious to those who studied ancient history well enough to understand Greeks, Egyptians, Babylonians were monotheistic,
with one Father God figure, the "rest of the gods" being a pantheon no more, no less than the plethora of Saints, Apostles, Madonnas etc. you find in Catholicism and Orthodoxism.

Most Protestant denominations turned iconoclastic, i.e. destroyed any and all figurative art there was, and prohibited any more.
They are often the ones who then fall prey to the "Preacher of the Day", TV Bible thumpers etc., they have no figurative reference available.

Ironically, among iconoclasts one will find Islam and Judaism, and guess what? Along with the two mainstream currents one finds a vast underworld of local currents,
from the secular Jews of Birobidzhan (Google it, you'll be surprised) to the Ahmadiyya Muslims (pacifists who follow a 19th century Prophet, considered a heretic by mainstream Sunnis)

Just go and see how many currents there are within Buddhism...

What I cannot, will not accept is that someone will come up with a bright idea one sunny day, invent his own religion and claim to be entitled to plagiarising somebodyelse's symbols and figures.

Else, I will go, buy a little island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, hoist a yellow, green and purple "Stars&Stripes", call my city "Wishingwell" and claim to be the Promised Land for the disgruntled everywhere...

... you wouldn't like it, would you ?
I hope you see my point...

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Reply #23 - 10/06/12 at 22:25:58

First, I can attest to Jesus Not being a hoax. I wasnt raised in a "Christian" household. If I heard someone say "God", it was followed by darn,,& at age 3, I had an experience that ( Tho I didnt realize it till I was 21, when I remembered it. & NO, it wasnt a False memory. I asked my mom & she remembered that day) changed my life & proves God & in particular Jesus to me. Ive had prayer answered, a few times, I know, beyong any doubt, Jesus is real, There Is a God. & No, I dont have all the answers. I dont even have all the questions. But I know That one,

Ive been avoiding this thread. Then I saw Pesci had replied & I like reading what he says, so, I came, I read, I learned some stuff, as usual.,

Good post, Pesci.

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Reply #24 - 10/16/12 at 10:54:15

The prevalent religion in our country(and now the world-since it was forced upon them) is Christianity and it is certainly the last of the major religions invented by man it was definitely forced onto me, but by 9th grade it no longer made sense the various religions think they're right and all of the others are wrong most people believe in a religion because that is how they were raised(programmed/brainwashed), let alone the major flaws within the bible itself. Many religions(Greek,Roman) at some point in time were even relegated as mythology How long will it be before "its" referred to as "Christian Mythology" ?

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Reply #26 - 10/16/12 at 17:06:42

No one really "knows" how could they ? we can only rely on our experiences and our logic/reasoning skills to interpret things I like almost all of what JOG has to say on other topics although I don't agree with his beliefs regarding religion - I respect them/him this is a very sensitive subject to most and I hope that people will open their mind to other possibilities

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Reply #27 - 10/16/12 at 18:12:04

I don't understand how people can know Jesus is real...
I mean, even if you've had prayers answered, or heard his voice,... how do you know it was him?...
'Cause he said so?...

There are atheists that have been cured of cancer miraculously... or survived accidents or trauma's... and they simply credit, good luck...

... but, if you just can't possibly attribute it to luck,.. and it must be divine intervention,... how do you know it was your god?... and not Allah,.. or Vishnu,.. or Buddha, or Isis, or even Satan?...
Supernaturals rarely carry I.D.... and if they did, they're gods.. I'm sure they could fake one...
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Reply #28 - 10/16/12 at 18:13:55

Had I not had an experience that simply doesnt allow me the luxury of deciding whether or not there was a Jesus, I wonder what I would believe. It sure isnt from teaching by authority figures or from exposure to Christians showing me how their lives just work out better or theyre happier or healthier,, best I can tell, the worlds most evil people live the best lives, "best" being measured in purely Worldly ways, more $$, more stuff, health, heck, look at David Rockefeller, George Soros, Ted Turner, Bill Gates, IMO, each is as evil as can be, & thyere just Doin FINE,, & I see people who really live their lives in as Biblically correct a way as they can & they have HELL.. Kids with problems, health issues, $$ troubles, they dont get off light, so, How it all "works" leaves me astounded,, BUT,, I KNow what happened, & there is NO way I can know what happened that day & NOT believe Jesus walked on Earth.

It affected my life in a huge way, not in a good way, but, it gave me one thing, it gave me more than faith, it gave me certainty. & THAT scares me, because I dont live right, I know it, & knowing what I know, how can I live a life of rebellion? Im probably in a lot of trouble,, I just hope not,

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Reply #29 - 10/16/12 at 18:32:51

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 10/16/12 at 18:13:55:

It affected my life in a huge way, not in a good way, but, it gave me one thing, it gave me more than faith, it gave me certainty. & THAT scares me, because I dont live right, I know it, & knowing what I know, how can I live a life of rebellion? Im probably in a lot of trouble,, I just hope not,

... but,.. maybe it was Allah... they are both Arabic,.. more than a thousand years old,.. capable of miracles,... and wear robes...
Neither one,.. has a photo ID... Huh

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