I agree that a vote for Romney is a bad vote, but I feel the same about Bammy. At least Romney wont have his "machine" set up when he gets in. Bammy has his & another 4 years of him will be very bad. Which will be worse? Your guess is as good as mine, If I bother to vote at all, Ill vote Libertarian or Ron Paul, but there is No Way Im gonna ASK someone to give me either one of the establishment creeps.,

Ron paul's idea about the bailout especially were spot on in 08. Why ?

Interest rates were near 5% and threatening to rise.
The euro was strong and threatening to become the world's currency of choice.

The smart $ was on lower debt and to cut govt and entitlements.
They started the tea party to save the rich from the problems brought on by a USD currency run.

Yet when Bush handed out the 1.5 trillion in bail outs he was credited with saving the economy. Obama handed out the last 800 billion of it and promptly got slammed for expanding government.

In 2012 the euro is on the verge of collapse.
There is no currency run on the USD, in fact the flight has been to USD, and effective interest rates have been -ve. 1.7% interest when inflation is near 5% is net -3%.

The smart thing to do when someone is paying you to take their $ is ... you guessed it - take it. Tea party and ron paul's idea now sounds badly out of tune.

However I do agree with RP's 17th amendment removal. Maybe that alone is enough to vote for RP ... however a Vote for RP is not a vote against RR (Ryan Romney). The whole TEA idea is completely out of time.

Where were they when the bushies went to war against 2 countries 1/2 way around the world on fake evidence.
Where were they when 1.5 trillion was handed out to Goldman Sachs via AIG, and other bank bail outs.

The euro is cooked, and over the next 4 years it will get worse, not better.
The USD is getting stronger and is even more firmly in place as the reserve currency, and there is no rick of USD becoming the next yen with a $$$ carry trade.
The interest rates are going to fall, china is slowing down, euro is cooked, and it will be cheaper and cheaper to borrow and inflation which is still bloody low isn;t going to rise any time soon either. -3% interest will become -4, and -5 ... borrow away.

Obama's big government and the infrastructure projects and public transit etc etc are all going to be the back bone of the new america ... I see the roads crumbling, bridges needing more maintenance etc etc ... we are better off doing it when china wants to give us $$$ in exchange for paper saying we owe you USD and pay us a 3% interest for keeping it.
I think Obama is more in tune with the reality of the world, I think Mitt would be if he wasn't shackled by the TEA party, and RP has 1 idea and no more aces in the hole. BTW you do know that RP is credited with starting the TEA party, but he has distanced himself from them in a hurry starting 10-11 right ?

I dunno the 17th amendment is one awful one, needs to be tossed IMHO. Or amended.

Cool.
Srinath.

The TEA party was coopted by neocons,, its nothing even cl;ose to what it was when it started.

Romney just wants to be President too much... He'll say or do anything he's told...

This election is the Republican party's dying gasp... It's the last election that they will have as a viable party...
They will either become more mainstream or die....
The demographic of the electorate has changed...
Every year, the number of young, educated, and minority grows...
... and the electorate shifts more liberal...
Rep's know, they can't win now, without a heavy handed voter suppression...
Romney was chosen for his ability to raise funds, instead of his ability to lead...
He's a puppet candidate, and would be a puppet president...

Geez... you guys are so freaking far out of touch with reality, it's comical..

Let's go back in time two years. In that election; Republicans had the largest one party gain since 1948. It was the biggest lost for a sitting president in 50+ years. One of the speakers last night was the first Latina elected governor. Another one became the first Indian-American elected governor, in fact, she was the first non-white male elected to governor in South Carolina. Republicans gained control over more state legislatures since 1928.

Fast foward two short years: Hopey's debt is skyrocketing out of control. Unemployment has gotten worse, not better. The entire hope and change BS has been exposed for what it was; sperficial nonsense hyped by a willing media. Hopey pushed thru a 2,000 page bill in the middle of the night with 0 input or votes from the other side. At every turn, he divides the nation based on class or race.

And you think this is the Republican's last gasp? Are you kidding? Is this where you put one of those goofy smiley faces with a puzzled look?

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/30/12 at 09:57:50:


Well if you call Grover Norquvist and the Koch brothers Neocons - then yes. I just call them super rich who want to stay that way by using the very catchy slogan based party.

TEA - man that sounds so cool and historic and precise and very catchy. And by contrast -

Occupy Wall street - sounds clunky and really really local to one small lane in one corner of the country.

Cool.
Srinath.

WebsterMark wrote on 08/30/12 at 10:16:38:


I agree with Web - man that felt weird ... here is why -

The republicans have an extremely well funded campaign thanks to the rich people who have handed them billions because they would be making billions when they are swept into office, they have redistricted their positions into where the loss margins are huge and the victory margins are small there by getting votes in crucial districts, and making more inroads into congress, and have clinched the bible belt with their strict adherence to the bible and they will outspend the democrats 10 to 1. The 2010 election was a good one to win @ the local and governer's levels for the GOP.

Then there is the voter suppression movement under the guise of fraud prevention.

The democrats I think are going to get waxed and I'd say its their fault. They were caught napping @ the 2010 local elections, fundraising (no chance anyway here) and seriously they mis handled the occupy wall street situation as well. They should have atleast prevented security from tearing the encampments down.

I thing democrats have a 10yr hiatus now.

Cool.
Srinath.

WebsterMark wrote on 08/30/12 at 10:16:38:


As a former republician... yes. The party has gone too far. More than likely there will be a split, otherwise it will simply diminish. Those in power of the RNC, are there for the power only, zero principles. Its a harsh tactic.. I am being taught how this all works myself. Basically, we had one guy go to lobbiest school.

For example:
All politicans fit in model
100% agree with your ideals
50% agree with your ideals
0 neither agree nor disagree
50% disagree
100% disagree

Old school thining would be to try and convince the bottom three to change.

New school is to harrass the only the second group ( 50% agree). make them either fit the top tier, or retaliate and work to make them loose to one of the bottom three.  This scares them .. and the top to stay in line. It also casts fear on the 0 group.  The bottom two dont care and will benfit from the tactic, short term.

This is what the RNC is doing to itself. Either you support Romney, or your out... period.

This will cull all those not willing to be 100%. But it does so at the expense of the overall party... it creates that situation that could not otherwise create itself ... groundswell support for a third party, either by splitting off, or new.

interesting time ahead...