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Re: Rotella T6 Oil Abuse Result
Reply #60 - 08/24/12 at 22:15:59

Cavi Mike wrote on 08/24/12 at 18:21:23:

Excuse me for not wanting to read through 4 pages of small-talk but has the analysis come back and if so, could you put it in the first post?

The further "Analysis" was actually Oldfeller's request to fill some in a clear bottle and let it sit for quiet some time. The "Analysis" lies in that he wanted to see how the stuff looks like after things a have settled in there.
He probably will request me to take another photo of it and see how it looks then.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Rotella T6 Oil Abuse Result Reply #61 - 08/24/12 at 22:23:23 Im pretty sure OF was a urologist in another life.. He just Lives to collect & study samples.
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Re: Rotella T6 Oil Abuse Result
Reply #62 - 08/24/12 at 22:35:41

Actually, I wuz too cheap for him to be throwing good oil away.

Since he now admits it isn't hurt any, he'll use it for something useful. Chainsaw bar oil, lawnmower oil, give him a little ZDDP boost to his car oil .... something useful.

I had an old Datsun truck that I'd pour in the drain oil from my then new Acura (since momma's baby never saw any dino oil in her entire life and the Acura people still wanted it changed at 3,500 miles anyway during warranty). It worked out pretty good, I had my synthetic drain oil saved up in milk jugs and the old orange Datsun would drink at them steadily going right along. It liked bright clean practically new full synthetic drain oil just fine.

Roll Eyes

Best oil it had ever tasted.

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ralfyguy Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 932	Re: Rotella T6 Oil Abuse Result Reply #63 - 08/25/12 at 05:13:58 In fact I think my lawn mower DOES need a little more oil.
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tizzyfit Full Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 158	Re: Rotella T6 Oil Abuse Result Reply #64 - 08/29/12 at 00:25:03 Cavi Mike wrote on 08/24/12 at 18:21:23: Excuse me for not wanting to read through 4 pages of small-talk but has the analysis come back and if so, could you put it in the first post? Ask Bill67, he'll explain it to you.
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Re: Rotella T6 Oil Abuse Result
Reply #65 - 08/29/12 at 06:32:20

Charon wrote on 08/19/12 at 05:53:29:

Interesting abuse test, but I suspect the oil didn't really get much hotter than usual. The temperature was 112 degrees (the heat index doesn't matter to the engine), about 20 degrees above the "typical" 95 degree day. The oil would have probably run about that same 20 degrees hotter than its normal to be hot enough to shed its heat.

Years ago I drove a Freightliner with the Detroit 12.7 engine, though Werner had ours limited to 385 HP, 1800 rpm. They scheduled oil changes at about 3300 gallons of fuel, which worked out near 20K miles. As I recall, the engine took five gallons of oil (someone correct me if I am wrong), or 20 quarts. So it burned about 165 gallons of fuel per quart of oil during the change interval. If one runs the S40 for its 3750 mile maker-suggested interval, and gets about 50 mpg, one burns about 75 gallons of fuel or 37.5 gallons of fuel per quart of engine oil. Using that as a basis, we change oil more than four times as often as the guys in the big trucks. In both cases I am ignoring make-up oil.

Good point. That 20 degrees makes a big diff to us human sissies, but a machine could care less about oil temp unless it is getting near that temp that causes it to burn (start breaking down, maybe mid 200 range for dino oil). Any air-cooled stock motorcycle moving more than about 20 mph will not overheat its oil no matter how hot it is outside.

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Cavi Mike Serious Thumper Offline Thumper n00b Posts: 1005 Rochester, NY Gender:	Re: Rotella T6 Oil Abuse Result Reply #66 - 08/29/12 at 10:15:50 I keep reading "result" as "report" and was thinking he sent a sample of his oil to get analyzed.
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bill67 Serious Thumper Offline old tired Posts: 8517 genoa city wisconsin Gender:	Re: Rotella T6 Oil Abuse Result Reply #67 - 08/29/12 at 13:40:42 Cavi Mike wrote on 08/29/12 at 10:15:50: I keep reading "result" as "report" and was thinking he sent a sample of his oil to get analyzed. He doesn't dare do that .
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Re: Rotella T6 Oil Abuse Result
Reply #68 - 08/29/12 at 17:35:51

bill67 wrote on 08/29/12 at 13:40:42:

Cavi Mike wrote on 08/29/12 at 10:15:50:

I keep reading "result" as "report" and was thinking he sent a sample of his oil to get analyzed.

He doesn't dare do that .

Any more than you dare to send in your Klotz for analysis. Particularly remembering that a Used Oil Analysis is not very useful without a Virgin Oil Analysis for comparison.

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ralfyguy Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 932	Re: Rotella T6 Oil Abuse Result Reply #69 - 08/29/12 at 17:58:08 As I stated previously, it was meant to be funny, because OF wanted me to fill some in a bottle and let it sit for some time AS analysis. I never had the intention, not the required knowledge where to send it to, nor do I have the financial means to do such thing.
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Re: Rotella T6 Oil Abuse Result
Reply #70 - 08/29/12 at 21:41:48

Bill,

Here's 2,000 miles on a 900cc Ducati .....

..... and a big Yamaha stratoliner ....

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2407790

..... and a BMW (just for some variety)

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2668218

All bikes agree, Rotella T-6 is mmmmm....mmmmm GOOD !!!

It's sorta sad, but I can't seem to find any UOA data on Klotz ...... Tongue

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bill67 Serious Thumper Offline old tired Posts: 8517 genoa city wisconsin Gender:	Re: Rotella T6 Oil Abuse Result Reply #71 - 08/30/12 at 08:42:26 I send in some,gasoline with Sea Foam in it,Klotz oil, brake fluid,Battery fluid,put some air from my tires in little balloons,to have them analyzed. Hope they come out with and A rating.
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Oldfeller--FSO Serious Thumper ModSquad Offline Hobby is now "concentrated neuropany" Posts: 12673 Fayetteville, NC Gender:	Re: Rotella T6 Oil Abuse Result Reply #72 - 08/30/12 at 20:40:23 It would be just fine Bill, as Klotz has no VOA data to compare it against. Instead of balloons though, I'd use a virgin condom instead if I were you. (since you are gonna get really screwed up by that analysis anyway)
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Gyrobob Serious Thumper Offline Posers ain't motorcyclists Posts: 2571 Newnan, GA Gender:	Re: Rotella T6 Oil Abuse Result Reply #73 - 08/31/12 at 15:32:43 A buddy just got a big jug of rotella T5 semi-synth 10-40. Any probs with using that in a Savage?
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Re: Rotella T6 Oil Abuse Result
Reply #74 - 08/31/12 at 15:52:31

T-5 semi-synth has no JASO rating -- that is the biggest rub.

Brief research indicates it is being used in some bikes that require 10w30 oil (it comes in that weight too) but it carries no clutch testing JASO approvals so far.

Cost is not far off T-6, so folks question not going with T-6 in the first place
(if your bike can digest a 40 weight oil, that is).

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