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08/09/12 at 21:44:02
 
When people say obama has more than a little socialist tendencies in his policies, they get accused of having all sorts of hidden prejudice. However,  it’s kinda hard to denied the thought process behind this quote of his.

“I said, I believe in American workers, I believe in this this American industry, and now the American auto industry has come roaring back,” he said. “Now I want to do the same thing with manufacturing jobs, not just in the auto industry, but in every industry.
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Reply #1 - 08/09/12 at 22:35:49
 
Did you say,... Romney?... Huh...

You Rep's don't have a candidate,... you have a white, Obama, standing on his head...
Is there one issue that he pandered to?...
We are witness to a 1/4 billionaire, kissing billionaire a$$...

...choice, gays, healthcare, bailouts, guns, welfare, taxes... is there an issue he hasn't flipped?...

I feel sorry for Rep's...
Obama's the devil,... Romney's the devil incarnate...

ObaRomnebamycare...

Do you want a guy that stands for what he means,... or gets his means for where he stands...

Obama is doubling down on his record,... Romney is running in circles, away from his...

Romney went on a three country junket, and invited the press,... he took three questions... then,..."Kiss my as$, this is a holy site"...
Obama went to Germany, three years ago,... during his first campaign... and answered 25 questions from the press... he never turned the pres away....
... if you invite the press,.. expect questions... that's why they're there...

The fact is,.. the more Romney speaks... the worse it gets...

Face it,.. Romney's an inflatable suit,... standing on it's head...
I was gobsmacked by G.W....
... befuddled by McCain/Palin...
,,,and I am beyond belief,... that Rep's have ended up with Romney...

Is there anyone that could be lower on the list,... other than Obama himself?..

...if you want an empty suit,... you've found found one...
Romney...

Obama,.. at least stands for what he thinks...  
... in the few things, where he's abridged his view... it has gone more progressive... hardly pandering or wishy-washy...
Yes to gay marriage,.. double-down on Obamacare...stronger on tax fairness...

There's guy the that says,.."I've got yer' back"...
... and there's the guy that really has your back...
I really think,... Romney will say anything..
Anything to win.... whatevr you want to hear...

Name one thing,.. that he stands for.... that he hasn't stood against...
Huh...


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Reply #2 - 08/10/12 at 03:08:20
 
Name one thing,.. that he stands for.... that he hasn't stood against...
Huh...


I saw a video showing Rombama that showed him say something, then say the opposite. It covered several important topics. Romney is dangerous. Very dangerous. He is a white Obama. Dangerous,
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Reply #3 - 08/10/12 at 05:09:09
 
I'm not talking about Romney. He wouldn't be my first choice.

I'm talking about the President of the United States sounding more like Hugo Chavez than George Washington.

Socialist societies are disasters that create untold pain and suffering. Death on a biblical scale.  This is the path we continue down with obama. He will continue to look at increasing government control anywhere and everywhere he can. This is a model that’s been done before with predictable outcomes.

Sorry, but you can’t make a statement like he did and be President of the United States. You just can’t.
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Reply #4 - 08/10/12 at 07:55:45
 
if the prez is a socialist romney is a fascist
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Reply #5 - 08/10/12 at 08:12:50
 
Neither one is a Constitutionalist, until we get one of those in office, with a bunch of them in Congress, too, we dont have a chance of seeing the wants of the People being reflected in the laws. Pointing fingers at the elitist owned & operated puppets who have held the office in the last 50 years will not solve the problem. Romney/Fascist, Bammy, socialist, who cares? America continues down the wrong path, regardless..
&, FWIW, its my opinion that we are very near the last fork in the road. If we take the wrong one, I think the "path" is going to get very narrow & rocky with briars reaching across it & other hazards along the way,
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Reply #6 - 08/10/12 at 10:18:47
 
Since obama has taken office, every major measure of economic health has gotten worse, among them unemployment and deficit spending. We’ve now committed to putting one of the largest private industries (healthcare) under government control.

At every turn, he assumes government bureaucrats are better able to handle whatever situation more so than individual citizens living their lives as they see fit. Couple the past 3.5 years with the socialist statement he just made and you simply can’t avoid the conclusion that the man is taking the US on a path that only has one out come and it’s not a pretty one. The man has to go.

I don’t want to hear your crappy analysis on Mitt Romney. That’s not the point of this post. The point is obama’s default position on policy is indistinguishable from that of a proponent of socialism. Don’t look at what he says, look at what he has done and his character is revealed. He’s Hugo Chavez, Che Guevara, Castro rolled into one.
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Reply #7 - 08/10/12 at 10:31:58
 
WebsterMark wrote on 08/10/12 at 05:09:09:
Sorry, but you can’t make a statement like he did and be President of the United States. You just can’t.



Interesting, because it looks like that's exactly what he did, and he is president.  Grin
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Reply #8 - 08/10/12 at 11:26:59
 
you are so right about that splash....
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Reply #9 - 08/10/12 at 11:43:12
 
Obamacare is mostly a socialist program, I suppose... but, it is based on a republican plan...  They were all touting it, until Obama went and did it...
Then,.. it suddenly becomes an unconstitutional, socialist idea...

The bail-outs were also republican idea,... GW's admin got them started...

So,.. who's the real socialist?...  both sides?...

I think there are certain elements of socialism that work pretty well... not everything, but some...
National health,.. works better than our HMO system... proven worldwide...
... and it's not entirely socialist... doctors, and hospitals, and other providers will remain private,.. but an expanded Medicare will assist lower income's to pay...
Semi- socialist... Huh...

The words society, and community,.. are not dirty words... without them, a government has no purpose...




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Reply #10 - 08/11/12 at 06:41:03
 
here is the legacy of a President with socialistic thinking:

Here are just a few recent reports about the alarming growth in dependency:

• In the second quarter of 2011, 107 million Americans were receiving some kind of government welfare — not including Medicare or Social Security — according to a new study from the Senate Budget Committee. That's up from 97 million just over two years ago.

• In the last three months, more people have applied for Social Security disability payments than found jobs in the private sector, federal data show.

• New Census data show 43% of all immigrants remain on welfare 20 years after arriving in the U.S., a stunning statistic suggesting the old model of immigration being a path to opportunity may have broken down in the Age of Obama.

• A new economic study says almost half of Americans die with less than $10,000 in assets — a sad comment on how government has displaced personal initiative and private savings in preparing for retirement.


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• IRS data show that almost half of all Americans — 49.5% of us — pay no income taxes at all.

• In today's federal budget, 70% of all spending now goes to aid for individuals such as housing, food, income, student aid or other forms of welfare.

• Still another study estimates that total U.S. long-term debt now stands at $211 trillion, up $11 trillion in just one year, thanks to growing red ink from out-of-control entitlement spending.
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Reply #11 - 08/11/12 at 07:16:37
 
  Heres a counter to your socialist claim...

 Welfare is up, we are still in  severe recession, you do not turn things around in 2-3-4 even five years. When people realize how close this nation was to falling into souplines and fifty percent unemployment they will finally realize what the four trillion was spent on..

 The people in a 45-60 age group are being turned down at every turn for jobs, their unemployment has run out, they are now turning to disability..

  All immigrants? I'd like to see a source for that, and Obama wasn't in office twenty years ago.. I am betting the total is a small number in any light..

  Thats the way our country is structured, when we get old we are placed into a old age home where they take all your assets before you die, more reason for socialized medicine..

   A healthy economy and populace depends on a balance of socialism and capitalism. When capitalism fails through greed and top heavy situation, then socialism bails it out, or both fail... If this nation let it all fall, we would not be discussing this right now, we would be fighting in the streets for our lives..

   Thats because 49.5 % of us are under poverty level...

   11% is on welfare, your numbers are skewed..   https://chart.googleapis.com/chart?cht=p3&chs=600x200&chf=bg,s,e8e8ff&chd=t:16,1
7,15,14,11,5,5,2,9,5&chl=Pensions 16%|Health Care 17%|Education 15%|Defense 14%|Welfare 11%|Protection 5%|Transportation 5%|General Government 2%|Other Spending 9%|Interest 5%&chtt=Total Spending for United States - FY 2012

   I don't like the word entitlement, I paid for my SS, I do not feel entitled, I am OWED!
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Reply #12 - 08/11/12 at 19:02:24
 
OK here is a weird  one ... there is no pure capitalist or pure socialist country on the planet anymore. Much of western europe is far closer to socialism norway, sweeden finland, denmark etc are all very good examples of countries that are tremendously prosperous, with very good safety nets for the lowest strata and they all have very progressive taxes.
True capitalism creates slavery and robber barons among other equally disastrous side effects.
True socialism creates russia and china. Enuff said. We are going to need a mix of the 2.
Govt back stopping the most vulnerable, encouraging the middle toward more productivity and the high toward more responsiblity.
Private industry can do that, except they wont be as humane and there will be a lot of people falling through.
I am not poking my head into actual politics, you guys have that covered.
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Reply #13 - 08/11/12 at 20:52:12
 
Life creates a constant struggle for freedom. Id rather struggle in a Capitalist society.
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