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Reply #15 - 08/09/12 at 16:30:39
 
It is simply a conspiracy to get older vehicles off the streets. They want them to die and do not care whether you like your older vehicle or not. Whether you can't afford a new one or if you just like to keep that Oldtimer/Youngtimer vehicle for fun. They want it gone, and if you don't get rid of it voluntarily, then they gonna castrate the oil so it dies on you no matter what, no matter how good you take care of it. And they won't tell you they did it with the oil, because you're supposed to be stupid and think that it just had it, or make you think YOU killed it yourself.
They do this in secrecy, so you will never know, but D@MN, BITOG is spilling all the secrets. D@MN those dissidents!!!

IMHO opinion, a 90's Stage 1 cat is clean enough to be nice to the environment. All this new cat stuff nowadays is nothing but a farce. The difference is simply negligible, I don't care what anybody says.
This is all just trying to BS the population and marketing.
Not to mention that if the d@mn engine ever starts acting weird, it is almost impossible to pinpoint what sensor or emission related gadget is acting up. Also part of the plan, because most people HAVE to take it to a specialist for big money.
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Reply #16 - 08/09/12 at 16:45:51
 
Should I add zddp additive to my 1988 buick 2.8 motor( conventional valvoline 5-30)? I don't know what type of cam it has. Thanks!

I found out I have hydraulic lifters,does that mean the oil isn't a problem?
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Reply #17 - 08/09/12 at 17:33:30
 
rl153 wrote on 08/09/12 at 16:45:51:
Should I add zddp additive to my 1988 buick 2.8 motor( conventional valvoline 5-30)? I don't know what type of cam it has. Thanks!

I found out I have hydraulic lifters,does that mean the oil isn't a problem?

It's a push rod engine without roller lifters,  It does have hydraulic lifters but essentially they wear the same as a flat tappet even though the valve spring pressure is not as high because it is a hydraulic lifter.

So to answer your question, it's up to you,  use the tried and true with a good ZDDP value or use the newer oils that have the friction modifiers and unproven high pressure additives.

Myself on my vehicles I only use a high quality syn such as Amsoil, but I also greatly extended change intervals since the oil and the filtration system can make use of it.

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Reply #18 - 08/09/12 at 18:10:54
 
My 91 Chevy truck with a 305 runs smooth as a new one (but not with as much power lol)and it has 372,000 miles on it. No roller cam, just good ole hydraulic lifters. I have been using valvoline max life 10w30. My exhaust valves seep into the manifolds which is typical due to the cheesy exhaust valve seals. Had the valve covers off last year and there's no sludge, which I attribute to 3,000 mile oils and filter changes. I've done engine jobs on all makes and models and seen some of the nastiest slugged up engines and worn out cam lobes and not any particular oil has been noted to cause either. The main thing is how often the oil is changed at least that's been my experience. I have witnessed major oils leaks hat have been spawned in older engines that have always had Dino and the owner would switch to synthetic. Seems the synthetic would run right out of any seals that were borderline weak...
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Reply #19 - 08/09/12 at 18:21:26
 
The buick holds 5 quarts of oil ,I think valvoline has 800 ppm zddp. How much more redline  zddp ,should I add? Thanks!
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Reply #20 - 08/09/12 at 19:00:41
 
rl153 wrote on 08/09/12 at 18:21:26:
The buick holds 5 quarts of oil ,I think valvoline has 800 ppm zddp. How much more redline  zddp ,should I add? Thanks!

redline zddp additive has a total of 20,500 ppm of zinc in it per bottle,  the bottle is 16 fl oz.  That will help you figure out what you need to know to get the level of the zinc in your oil that you want.

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Reply #21 - 08/10/12 at 04:20:26
 
Routy wrote on 08/09/12 at 15:01:05:
It all hinges on whether the lifters or rocker arm are roller or not ??
As if all other friction points are roller or needle or ball bearing ??

In reality, in our cars, the main brgs, the rod brgs, and the cam brg, are all bushing brgs, no roller needle or ball brgs anywhere. So why don't they need that slippery stuff in it ??

And where are all these camshafts w/ all the lobes wore off, and the wore out rockers, lifters..... whatever was riding on them ??


Because the main and rod bearings have much larger surfaces because they have matching profiles, it's much harder for the oil to be pinched by the mating surfaces. The round cam against a flat tappet? Not hard at all. Try cutting a stick of butter with the knife sideways. Pretty difficult, isn't it? That's what it's like to cut through the oil in a main or rod bearing. Now turn the knife the right way - that's what it's like on a solid cam.

This really is the type of stuff you should do some research on before you run around making claims that there isn't a problem.
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Reply #22 - 08/10/12 at 09:01:19
 
Cavi Mike wrote on 08/10/12 at 04:20:26:
Routy wrote on 08/09/12 at 15:01:05:
It all hinges on whether the lifters or rocker arm are roller or not ??
As if all other friction points are roller or needle or ball bearing ??

In reality, in our cars, the main brgs, the rod brgs, and the cam brg, are all bushing brgs, no roller needle or ball brgs anywhere. So why don't they need that slippery stuff in it ??

And where are all these camshafts w/ all the lobes wore off, and the wore out rockers, lifters..... whatever was riding on them ??


Because the main and rod bearings have much larger surfaces because they have matching profiles, it's much harder for the oil to be pinched by the mating surfaces. The round cam against a flat tappet? Not hard at all. Try cutting a stick of butter with the knife sideways. Pretty difficult, isn't it? That's what it's like to cut through the oil in a main or rod bearing. Now turn the knife the right way - that's what it's like on a solid cam.

This really is the type of stuff you should do some research on before you run around making claims that there isn't a problem.



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Reply #23 - 08/10/12 at 12:02:29
 
Update added to original post, see #8 and link, the link shows what year cars need what.
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Reply #24 - 08/10/12 at 17:30:45
 
I'm going to add 4 oz of redline to my 88 buick century . There is no reason why i shouldn't ,right?

Also ,my other car is a 95 buick regal 3.8 v6 . Does this engine have a roller cam ,or should I add redline to this too?

ps, found out the 95 buick has a roller cam,thanks
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