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Things every savage newb should know...
08/07/12 at 21:19:33
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/30/12 at 15:41:46:
If you need help with a mechanical problem... Ask your question in the Rubberside section...
We will need to know a bit about your bike, and you...
Year, Miles, modifications that apply to the problem.
Your mechanical experience, and let us know if English is not your first language...
Where you are located is helpful, too...
Also,...
What was done just before the bike started acting up, including filling up with gas.

Symptoms?
Ran fine for months, now it won't start, cuts out at speed, or what?

if its a clutch problem, what oil is in it?


Oldfeller--FSO wrote on 07/31/13 at 09:58:55:

Four Things to do before you start to troubleshoot your bike's issues

We help a lot of new persons with a lot of issues every week.   Repeatedly, we see them tripping over the same things, very simple things really.   Things that YOU MUST DO before you even try to troubleshoot your bike.

1)   Have a full fresh trickle charge (multimeter over 12.6 volts) on a known good battery.   Not a battery tender, a no more than 2 amp normal bike style battery charger.   Why?  Tenders send right at 12.1 volts and your battery drops down to that amount overnight.  Your tests are all based on a FULL fresh charge at 12.6 volts which takes 13+ volts from the charger (which is what you get from a normal 2 amp charger).

2)  Have a fresh FULL tank of gasoline.   I know, it only makes common sense -- but you would be amazed at the people killing themselves with 1/8 tank of last summer's very stale gas and they simply can't get the bike to start .....    10% ethanol gasoline and its "age out" issues has only made this requirement more important, so drain your gas tank and refill if you think you have old or not enough gasoline in it.

3)  Have basic metric tools.  If your bike won't run you need to have a set of metric tools and a volt/ohm multimeter, minimum.   If all you have is the tool kit that came with the bike, please say so up front.

4)  You must read and understand the POSTING GUIDELINES at the top of Rubber Side Down.  Rubber Side Down isn't the chat section -- that is over in Cafe.   Next, to moderators , they are trying to help you get the best advise ........


1... Clymers has errors... Suzuki/Clymer Manual Errors

2... Owners will sell a bike rather than do maitenance... Cam Chain Adjuster check

3... Lot's of info in the tech section.  The link is in my sig where the orange is pointing.  Control F will help you find what you're looking for.

4... Don't ask about oil, not even where it goes.  Especially not to bill.
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Re: Things every savage newb should know...
Reply #1 - 08/07/12 at 22:55:58
 
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Just a little note to noobies...
It may seem like some folks get more attention than others...
But,... keep in mind... We are only human...
If your problem is uncommon,.. it may take more time to find someone with experience or expertise...
You aren't being ignored... just set aside for a more expert answer...
No one here, wants to leave anyone out... Wink...




...and,... beware 3 things...
...the vacuum petcock sucks...
...and the cam-chain adjuster is a hand grenade...

... (and lift the front of the seat 1" to 2" inches)...

... all, fixable for less than $100.00...

Get a Raptor petcock, a Versy adjuster and a couple of rubber stoppers... and you'll own the best bike available in the last 30 years... Wink...
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Reply #2 - 08/28/12 at 18:56:27
 
1stepcloser wrote on 08/28/12 at 10:03:21:
Whats a Versy aduster?

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Reply #3 - 09/04/12 at 03:24:46
 
 
ZDDP amounts in your oil is important to our Savage engine
(most modern bike oils do not have enough).

We have to bump our oils with ZDDP booster to get up to the right amounts.


Recommended oils listing:    http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1344471565


Booster blend table:     http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1345080430

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Reply #4 - 10/24/12 at 21:35:04
 
 
Your bike must idle at at least 1,000 rpm in order to provide enough oil flow and pressure to your aluminum cam journal bearings up in your head.

That super-kool sounding super low  lump....lump....lump....lump....lump  Harley style idle speed can and will do harm to your engine.
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Reply #5 - 10/29/12 at 15:35:28
 
Signatures are at the bottom of the posts, mine has an orange pointing to a line of text, which is a link to the Tech Section Index.

To save time, you can list your bike info and mods in your signature so when you ask a question, everyone knows what your bike is.

You can also list your location (city, state or country) in your CPanel info

This helps a lot with knowing some basic issues and language difficulties.

And when a mad deranged lunatic is apprehended there, we know why you're not talking to us anymore.   Grin
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Reply #6 - 11/03/12 at 11:03:19
 
Cavi Mike wrote on 10/18/12 at 10:41:44:
By the way, the reason that magnet broke free like that is because the glue holding it in place melted from the starter over-heating.

If you're having a hard time getting your bike to start - don't sit there with the starter button pressed and the motor spinning for minutes on end.

Starters are only designed to be run for about 15 seconds before they need a 5 minute cool-down period. Obviously they can handle a little more abuse than that but if you managed to melt that glue - you went way over that.

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Reply #7 - 01/27/13 at 19:46:05
 
PAY ATTENTION! (Not shouting--just for emphasis). Had a great small dealer and good staff until it burned, but even with an S40 on the floor the first couple of times Jason tried to give me a spin-on oil filter. Always make sure they understand LS650P (In my case). The SV650 is apparently very popular and looked up often. OK if you know your parts, but not okay if you order parts and wait for a week and tear it down and... :'(


OF  I agree with Boofer, dealerships don't deal with the Savage often enough to build any real skills with it.  

Their parts departments need to be watched like a hawk and their service departments are notorious for giving the bike to the young pre-college dude who works on the little dirt bike singles to fix it "since it is just a big single".  

Not so, it is analogous to the old brit bike racing singles more so than a dirt bike -- but none of them know that.   Every spring we get told new horror stories about newbie folks paying hundreds of dollars for a dealership "Mikey" to totally screw up their bikes.


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Reply #8 - 03/03/13 at 19:34:45
 
If your bike won't start, but the starter motor is cranking your engine, the first thing to suspect should be your battery.

On these bikes, it is possible for the battery to have enough power to enable the starter motor to crank the engine, but to not have the additional power that it takes to create a spark at the spark plug.

Result:  An engine that cranks without starting.

If you suspect that this is causing your no start condition, recharge the battery.  If you still aren't having any luck, and still suspect the battery, get said battery load tested.
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Reply #9 - 03/28/13 at 21:32:14
 
This bears repeatin'...

RidgeRunner13 wrote on 03/28/13 at 21:28:27:
NO ONE KNOWS MORE ABOUT THE LS650 THAN THE MEMBERS ON THIS FORUM.
WE ARE THE ONES WHO FIND THE REAL PROBLEMS & COME UP WITH FIXES THAT WORK.
THE DEALERS DON'T WORK ON ENOUGH OF THESE TO BE FAMILIAR WITH THEIR PARTICULAR ISSUES.

BOTTM LINE: ALWAYS COME HERE FIRST!!! THEN IF YOU HAVE TO USE A DEALER, YOU WILL BE BETTER INFORMED THAN HE IS!

DON'T TRUST DEALERSHIPS TO KNOW HOW TO REPAIR THIS BIKE, THEY DON'T!!!!!

AND YES, I'M SHOUTING BECAUSE EVERYONE WITH AN LS650 NEEDS TO HEAR IT!!!! THIS HAPPENS TOO MANY TIMES & WE USUALLY ONLY HEAR ABOUT AFTER THE DEALER HAS GOT YOUR MONEY FOR SOMETHING YOU DIDN'T NEED!!!!!! Cool

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Reply #10 - 10/19/13 at 09:19:05
 
Or they put the oil filter on bakkerds & ruined the motor..
How many times have we seen that? IM Thinkin 3..
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Reply #11 - 02/07/14 at 13:53:24
 
Before you go off and do a "I D 10 T"  error...

this is a link for your convenience...

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1181745927

This is also a link...

Table of Contents with links

Some people call it an Easter egg cause it's disguised.
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Reply #12 - 11/01/15 at 02:40:46
 
Paulbb wrote on 10/31/15 at 05:50:15:
Does it not matter that the Rottela triple T, containing the needed ZDDP, is made for Diesel engines?  I just bought Savage and followed recommendations here, but, I fear I may not have fully understood.  I just put Rotella triple T non synthetic in my new bike and am just looking for reassurance here.


Rotella T is a HDEO....Heavy Duty Engine Oil.  It comes in 15W-40 weight, which we all associate with Diesel Engines, and it is a great oil for use in a diesel....but it also is a great oil for use in 4 cycle gasoline engines.

Trust us on this one.......those of us who use it are not tearing our bikes apart to fix worn cams and rockers.
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Reply #13 - 11/02/15 at 09:42:10
 
Dave wrote on 11/02/15 at 03:04:44:
Art Webb wrote on 11/01/15 at 09:07:29:
Also, if you search a bit you'll find the certifications on the back of the bottle, including JASO (japanese moto certification) Rotella is as 'appropriate' for your Savage / S40 as Suzuki Motorcycle oil


JASO - Japanese Automotive Standards Organization

clarification: JASO MA/MA2 (motorcycle)
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Reply #14 - 11/04/15 at 14:12:45
 
We keep rehashing this...
Gyrobob wrote on 02/26/13 at 13:11:05:
To me these words mean the crankshaft won't rotate:
-- it won't crank
-- it won't kick over
-- it won't turn over

To me these words mean the battery and the starter will make the crankshaft rotate but the motor won't start up and commence to idle:
-- it'll crank but not start
-- it'll turn over but not fire
-- it'll spin around but it won't run
-- when I let go of the key, it stops making that starting noise and nothing happens

I can decode the meaning of those terms okay.

What riles me is when someone just says, it won't crank.  Down here you have a 3 out 4 chance of that meaning it spins over with the starter, but it won't start running.  Maybe that's what "it won't kick over" means, I dunno.

If I am trying to help someone with that level of vocabulary, I usually start asking some really simple questions, so we have a meeting of the minds as to what info is being imparted.,...
-- When you touch the starter button, does it make any noise?
-- What kind of noise does it make,.. does it just make a clicking sound like a wall switch and then stay quiet?,,...or does it make a whirring sound that stops when you let go of the key?
-- so on and so forth

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