This debate is endless.  If you summarize what each side has to say, you come away with no real conclusions other than the issue is still debatable.

For me, the telling thing is long-term data.  Over the past many millions of years, the earth's temp has gone up and down a little occasionally, staying relatively constant within a range of a few degrees.  During the fraction of earth's history that humans have existed in significant numbers, nothing has changed with the typical cycling of the temp going up and down a little occasionally.

The global warming debate itself is likely to have the largest effect on average global temp simply because of all the hot air involved.

The whole worlds population fitting into texas - someone brought that up.
True, and if we can arrange people, and everything else we need to live on as lego blocks we easily can live on 1/10th of what we use currently.
Less than 1/10th easy. Plus make most weather phenomenon and tectonics irrelevant.

We have people living on huge oil reserves. - Los angeles.
We have people living on huge geological problems. - CA.
We have people living in fertile bread baskets - CA, Hawaii, and many more.

I'd find a few midwestern or northern states with few geological relevance - AKA a mid/northwestern plain that cant grow much of anything and stack people in nice shoe box sized apartments. They are cheaper to heat. The cooling will be harder, but since these will be tall buildings, the upper floors can just use windows for the most part.

I have more ideas like these, and as soon as we can implement stuff like this we can live on less resources.

I have some acquaintances who retired when they were in their late 40's. My wife was ooh ing and aawing over that, how they now have the freedom to do what they want and they now live on the beach in a boat.
What she didn't ask them was - how did they manage that ?
I told her. The summary was they lived in a shoe box apt in queens under rent control lived there through muggings and stabbings. Worked in 2 jobs for him through most of his 30yr career, atleast 1 was a decent one, she worked 2/1 job through most of her career, didn't own a car ever, saved like a maniac, got to ride the stock market up, and back down, had to delay the retirement 5-6 years, and the part that made my wife spit - and I said this while playing with my son's hair - decided to not have any kids.
They wanted to retire by 40, so they decided to do nothing that makes live worth living. They accomplished that by 47-48 if I'm correct. Then they moved to somewhere very cheap to live and they are trying to live off their savings. Good for them, but the sacrifice isn't for everyone.
If we can give up our 1/4 acre lots and 2500 sqft house and our hummers, and people can be canned like sardines it is a lot cheaper to heat and obviously we will leave the nice fertile lands of california to crops and oil extraction.
Cool.
Srinath.

I never said it wasnt getting warmer. Whats causing it is up for debate, IIRC, we had a time in the past when there was ice in lots of places & it went away. That was called the Ice Age,, no SUV melted that. During Medieval Times it was warmer than now.. no SUV did that. Back in the 70's, the scientists were warning of a mini ice age coming.

Agenda 21 will fix it,, since it includes eliminating billions of us.


& how many here are able to look at society & see the damage it does to the climate & environment, yet, can not manage to make the connection between vaccinations & autism?

Yes, Im sure we have an impact on the world, the climate even, but to what extent? What % of temperature change was gonna happen anyway?
What impact has Haarp had? What about the chemtrails? Who Benefits here?

people always think that cars are the only thing that get blamed but lets look at some other areas. Coal fired power plants, airplanes, ocean going ships, petroleum generators, there are a lot of sources of CO2 other than JOGs jeep.

more CO2 now and less plants to use it.......huh

Plant a frikkin' tree in yer' yard...  it can't hurt... ...