No minds will change here...

... but... it is an inevitability...  the trend has shown for a long time a growing acceptance of gay marriage...
... and,.. as with the denial of equality to any segment in society,...historically, those that argue to deny end up on the wrong side of history...
This is how, conservatives have consistently alienated every single minority, and made themselves the into white male Christian party...
... and it's never racism, or bigotry,... it's always justified some other way...
Blacks, single women, Jews, Hispanics, Asians, gays,...
... and with each one, you blame it on Dem's giving handouts and pandering,... but, with each segment there is a issue of denial of rights...
So, keep up the good work Righty's... keep on looking like, quacking like, and walking like a duck...
With each step,... you diminish your influence... ...

If anyone wound up on the wrong side of history,I'd say it was Sodom & Gomorrah,

The notion that there is no right & wrong is not correct. Thers a reason men marry women,, forcing social acceptance thru indoctrination wont make it right,

& yes, my mind is made up. & Its not politically motivated,its a knowing of the difference between right & wrong & not being willing to make laws that go directly against what I know to be right. You know in your heart its wrong. If you dont, you need to step back & think,,or feel. & PLease dont try "Well,, thats what youve been taught.",, because Ive been fed the same crap others have. I just didnt accept it & NO I wasnt raised by Christians. My home was not a God centered home. We went to church a few times, but it wasnt a lifestyle. By a few times, I mean maybe 10 in 6 years. & they were all when I was 12, IIRC.

Well , No one is forcing you to marry a gay person JOG, and if you cannot face your own sexuality thats fine also. But refrain from the Sodom and Gomorah crap, its just a story from a 2K plus old manuscript with the same prejudice and ignorance from that time period. If you want to bring religion into this mix, look at the fact that Jesus only hung out with guys, maybe he was gay? Now wouldn't that be the shits...

 Yep, its all shits and giggles, until somebody giggles and shits...

The notion that there is no right & wrong is not correct. Thers a reason men marry women,, forcing social acceptance thru indoctrination wont make it right,

I've never heard a real good answer by a pro-gay marriage person if gender is no longer the deciding factor of who can be legally married, what is the deciding factor then? If self-proclaimed LOVE is the basis, they couldn't I have multiple wives if they all were consenting adults and professed love?

WebsterMark wrote on 08/06/12 at 13:33:46:


why can't the limiting factor be a number, like 2, 2 consenting adults, that makes it legally easier than dealing with who gets what with multiples of people involved, also marriage is a contrivance of property management law, moral or not has nothing to do with this. it was how property and power was passed on generation to generation, it was not a moral doctrine.  again, this is a LEGAL matter, moral arguments aren useless here, marriage is a quick way to bypass like 30 other legal documents that would otherwise be required

Boy... I've read some stuff in this thread and all I have to add is:

WHO CARES.

Gay couples have the right to be just as miserable as straight couples. Look how many hetero marriages end in failure - what're you worried homo marriages will throw off the statistics?
I can't believe some of you are so hung up on religion?
I mean, really? REALLY? In my life time we've witnessed evolution and answered more questions with science than times an omnipotent robed being descended from the Heavens.

That being said there's a local motorcycle group here called CMRA (Connecticut Motorcycle Riders Association) In regards to motorcyclist's rights and helmet laws they came up with "Let Those Who Ride Still Decide". People who don't ride shouldn't have any say imposing laws for people who do ride.

That's a great idea. So simple... so elegant.

Gun laws are becoming stricter because they're being voted on by non-gun owners. People who are scared and live in fear and want to ban guns because they don't understand them or fully grasp the concept.
Why not let gun owners vote on gun laws?

Let homosexuals vote on homosexual issues. Why not? It doesn't affect me. It affects them.

What gives you (yes, you) any right at all to stick your nose into someone else's business that doesn't affect you?


--Steve

 For Jog, did Jesus ever condemn homosexuality? He hung with twelve guys, they had a secret handshake? Did he ever once get laid? Hmmmmm.. In todays world that would be gay.. Probably was back then also, maybe that was the real reason they put him on the cross?

 People are not trying to "Indocrinate" you to homosexuality, just trying to "Educate" you to accept it as a fact! There have been homosexuals since the begining of time, they were accepted, and even held high value in many societys. It seems like we have moved backwards instead of forward in this nation... Good old Christian prejudice...

  For Web, so how is homosexual love different than a man and womans love? And please do tell me how it is diminished? Cause YOU and YOURs won't allow them to marry? And when two people love each other marriage is usually the next step, not a civil union.. I don't remember ever asking any of my three wives for a civil union...

You would put a homosexual in the same catergory as a murderer, a rapist????

  I guess its story time. I once thought that all homosexuals were just limp wristed, wastes of humanity when I was a young man. I joined the Army at seventeen, was sent to SE Asia three weeks after my 18th birthday, I was a Helicopter Crewchief/Doorgunner.

 During this time I was lucky enough to meet some very brave men, a group I befriended and flew in and out of many LZ's was a LRRP unit. For those of you who do not know who they were, Long Range Recon Patrol units were a five to ten man team who were dropped into suspected enemy territory to recon and report enemy activity. They were always in the thick of it folks...

  In this LRRP team were two guys, they had done two tours by the time I met them, they joined the Army from the same hometown and joined on the buddy system. These guys had saved everyone of their team several times over, always lent advice to the FNG's, (Fkin new guys) and were friends to all. They were respected men, and could kick butt with the team in a bar brawl, or sit in the mud and blood for hours without a sound.

  No one really knew them beyond us calling them the twins, because where one was at, the other was near. When it came time for them to ETS (Leave country and the Army) we all decided it was fitting to throw our usual party, so with whiskey and Komsi we proceeded to get wasted. Each of us were telling the group what we were going to do when we got out, when one of the twins came out and said "When we get back, myself and Sam are moving in together where we will be the rest of our lives"..  This brought my drunken doorgunner to tears and he replied "Good for you!" then promptly passed out...

  You see it seems that these guys were gay, they joined the Army to escape the prejudice of a small town.. They were two of the most courageous men I have ever known and demand more respect than to be compared with rapists, murderers, and thieves... What is normal and good? The preacher that takes little girls into his office for a good spanking? The gay basher that beats up gay men because they are different? The guy who beats up his girlfriend because he is afraid to admit he is gay?