justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/04/12 at 17:45:39:Boys Humpin boys & girls humpin girls...
JOG,... this excerpt from your post is a tell,... (like in poker)...
I don't mean a tell, as in you're gay...
I mean, as in you're repulsed at the very thought of anything like that...
I'm not gay either,... and I don't like to think of it in any graphical way either...
... but,.. I do have two male friends, and two female, that are gay...
... and they have as much right to the pursuit of "life , liberty, and happiness"... as we do... whether it is a benefit to society or not...
Their rights matter to me...
And the benefit to society is exactly the same as it is to you and me...
Lost just listed them...
Quote:there's tax breaks and inheritance things right? hospital visitation stuff, default attorney of law stuff right, what's it called if someone is hospitalized their spouse can make decisions for them, and can someone who is married to someone accused of a crime on trial have any protection of communications or can't be called to testify against them or something . . .
I'm not seeing how any of this has any moral implications at all, so what's the big deal here?? "marriage" "civil unions" it's a legal thing, not an affront to any religion.
Are there any of these rights you are willing to give up?...
Aren't these Constitutional rights for all the people?...
They are doing exactly what you or I would do...
They are giving up their Constitutional rights, to love the person they love...
The question of whether it benefits society or country, is not important...
That, is the ugly side of socialism... (there are good sides, but this ain't one of them)...
We have the right to pursue our path, and have our individual freedoms, up to the point that it infringes on other people's freedoms...
How does this infringe on you?...
PS... I'm not trying to argue here... I'm trying to open a curtain to you're own firmly held beliefs...
Defend individual freedoms, over the good of the country, or society... your rights are your rights, not to be infringed...
... right up to the point, that it infringes on the rights of others...
Now,.. how does any marriage, not involving you,... infringe on your rights?... (gays will still exist, and be gay, either way)...
How does it hurt he country?... (gays will still exist, and be gay, either way)...
How does it hurt society?... (gays will still exist, and be gay, either way)...
How will it even hurt God?... (gays will still exist, and be gay, either way)...
It will effect none,... in any way...
It will only effect gays that want to have their rights...
These are God given rights... they even have the right to sin,.. or to not believe... God said so...
He made us that way... if he exists...
I know you believe he does... and he made us all... even gays...
... and even atheists...
It is his will that we are free to think and sin... and the Constitution supports it...
So disagree with gays,.. but defend their rights...
As you would wish them to do for you...
"Do unto others..."...