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07/21/12 at 17:44:05
 
I have a 1998 savage which ran really good until recently. I have performed no modifications or changed anything recently but when I stop at a red light it loads up and wants to die and smokes black when I rev it to clean it out. Also it won't idle and dies . Starts right back up but with difficulty. Any ideas?
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Reply #1 - 07/21/12 at 18:06:50
 
My first thot is the slide isnt dropping freely. When you let off the gas, does it idle down likie it should or slowly drop RPM?

Dozerman owes an answer to this question.
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Reply #2 - 07/21/12 at 18:18:00
 
Test your Petcock,.. don't just turn it to Prime..

black is fuel... it's petcock, or carb... check the pet first, it's more likely, and easier to check...
Wink...

Rational path, easy to follow and do -- eliminates the entire petcock system as a potential source of the issues.

Dozerman never did it.
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Reply #3 - 07/21/12 at 18:32:10
 
Petcock does not flow unless I suck on vacuum hose. What could be prob in carb? Could the float be stuck?
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Reply #4 - 07/21/12 at 18:47:00
 
 
Dozerman, your engine vac suction available at speed is a lot less than you can do with your mouth.

Vac petcocks are notorious for screwing with your head by alternately dumping gas down the vac tube and starving your bike at speed,
read the post Serowbot sent you to COMPLETELY and do the test he specified.

Then tell us what happens.
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Reply #5 - 07/21/12 at 19:01:02
 
Try some Sea Foam in the gas.
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Reply #6 - 07/21/12 at 19:16:35
 

I don't think bike is starving ,I think too much fuel is being delivered. ( black smoke and choking on idle. At speed bike runs ok


hmmmm ..... do you think that after reading that test from the Tech Section that Serowbot is just winging it in the wind?   Or did you bother to read it?

At this point you are refusing to do the things we suggest that you do and you are chomping at the bit to take your carburetor apart.
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Reply #7 - 07/21/12 at 19:18:23
 
Don't waste your time or money with Seafoam. There is nothing in it that is useful, and the sum of the do-nothing ingredients results in a do-nothing product.

I just recently had a similar problem, though with a scooter and not a Savage. The idle jet came unscrewed from inside the carburetor, and dropped into the float bowl. Result was that the engine would run at about half throttle, but not rev high enough to engage the clutch. It also blew black smoke out the exhaust. It also has a vacuum petcock, which had nothing whatever to do with the problem.
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Eschew obfuscation.

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Reply #8 - 07/21/12 at 19:19:51
 
What Charon said,.. or your slide is stuck... something's open that shouldn't be...
It's open the carb time...
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Reply #9 - 07/21/12 at 19:27:57
 
 
"Got black smoke and choking on idle. At speed bike runs ok"

 
What happens when the petcock diaphragm splits and dribbles gas down the vac line into the carb vac port?  

I think Serowbot's test kills 3 birds with one stone, which is why we get the newbies to do that first and report the results before telling them to do the next thing.

Yep, by all means don't do the simple test as specified that quickly tells you what's what -- instead run off quick-like and go tear on into that carburetor.

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Reply #10 - 07/21/12 at 19:48:14
 
Too late! I removed carb and took float bowl off and everything is spotless. I removed floats to check needle valve and it is mint and spotless with no obstructions in the seat. Took top off and checked for cracks or tears in diaphragm and it too is in mint shape and moved freely.any suggestions?
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Reply #11 - 07/21/12 at 19:51:10
 
Forgot to mention.I replaced the air filter and checked for obstructions. Also replaced Spark plug........no difference.
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Reply #12 - 07/21/12 at 20:05:27
 
& you slipped a long skinny screwdriver under the slide & lifted & watched it fall?
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Reply #13 - 07/21/12 at 21:05:42
 
Yes sir everything seemed smooth
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Reply #14 - 07/21/12 at 22:13:31
 
dozer, we need to know all the mod's you've done to your bike.

when's the last time you changed the air filter?

and miles
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