WebsterMark wrote on 07/19/12 at 03:49:24: This is what I don't understand about so many people on this board. It's like you think you deserve something without working for it. If there is a fundamental difference between those that have a liberal ideology and those that have a conservative ideology, maybe that's it.
yeah, that's not it, try again, SS, medicare, etc. . . are all paid for via taxes, OUR taxes, money we WORKED for, and now you're saying its wrong for us to want a return on that money, a return that was promised us?? You'd rather give that money to the upper classes instead via tax cuts for them and have the middle class pay for it, yet you complain about wealth "redistribution" . . . something fishy there man.
I agree though, this "fair share" argument is BS. when you look at it, we aren't asking the rich to pay their "fair share" we are asking them to help pay for a system (a highly flawed system that needs to get it's priorities in order desperately, no doubt) without passing those costs down to the rest of us. I'm not going to pretend like that's fair. but I"m not going to pretend like it's fair that they get to live off of capital gains either, or that they get to be paid in stocks so they can get taxed less, it's not fair that the government treats that income differently than other kinds of income, they do it to encourage investment, I understand that, but dont' try to play me to think that that investment = job creation, sometimes it does, but sometimes it doesn't. what it definitely does is funnel money directly through investment bank firms, making them "too large to fail" who can hijack our economy with a bad decision.
the "fair share" thing comes out of our frustration of all the tax breaks the "so called rich" are ENTITLED to, try taking that away and you'll get nothing but complaining from them about how they "deserve something without working for it"
it used to be you could work hard and increase your lifestyle via your own hard work, not anymore, now they pay china and india and mexico, etc to work hard and in America you increase your lifestyle via the monetary system and it's games, 401k's, stock market, investing in gold/silver, etc. . . literally, the value of hard work has fled this nation and gone overseas, now if you're lucky and creative, you still have a chance, but it's a crap shoot there too. American businesses focus too much on keeping costs low instead of increasing revenue or starting new revenue streams, because by simply reducing costs they see an immediate stock market bump up, but if they take a chance to increase revenue, everyone is a skeptic and stocks may suffer for that.
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