wow this is a mess, bare with me, or just ignore this, cause I mean, I am replying to Web here, like it's going to do any good
WebsterMark wrote on 07/16/12 at 19:23:36:less in percentage, not less in actual amount, which I know, people like you who only like to deal in absolutes don't care about, but that's how you compare things like this
okay, that’s just plain nonsense. Of course Buffet pays more in total dollars. That’s never been an issue. Keep up or take notes.
you seem to think that him paying more in total dollars means that he is paying more than his "fair share" just trying to clear that up, cause if we are trying to compare what is "fair" or not then we need to use percentages and not flat amounts
Quote:the false argument is that "cutting taxes is good for the economy" which is complete BS, now I agree that taxes shouldn't be raised right now,
why not? If it’s complete BS, why not raise taxes right now??? If you think it’s BS, why would you not raise taxes now?
this is making my brain hurt. stability in the tax code would be beneficial right now, raising taxes would have an increased chance of hurting the minor recovery we are having, if our recovery were better, than I wouldn't be as opposed to raising taxes, I don't believe there is much evidence that cutting taxes increases economic growth, we've tried it several times now, and we don't have much to show for it now.
Quote:but we could look at tax "Loopholes" and the such and determine what we would like to get rid of and what kind of tax policy we'd like, and what we could cut in spending. there is no magic solution to this, we can't depend on the rich to do anything that isn't self serving, that is afterall, the cornerstone of capitalism and free markets.
We can’t depend upon you to do anything that isn’t self serving either. Did you send a check to the IRS today? Why not? I’m sure you’ve got an extra few bucks somewhere…
what the hell is this about? really? I"m not saying there is anything wrong with doing self serving things, just that that's how capitalism works. not that it's any of your business, but I am helping out a friend of mine right now, because I don't want them to be homeless, so yeah, it's self serving because I like to feel needed and I'm blessed right now to be able to help this friend right now for a little bit to get them over this time of need, maybe they'll pay me back, maybe they won't. but all of that is still in my self serving interest, even though financially it's not the wisest move I've made.
Quote:so, here's another fallacy that is often preached by ultra conservatives. companies and corporations dont' pay any taxes, because they just pass that along to their customers. while at the same time, the " I never got a job from a poor person" thing has been going around. So, if the premise of the non tax paying corporation is that their source of money for everything is only from their customers, that means that ALL of their money comes from their customers right? so that no percentage of a corporation's money is used to pay taxes, it's only passed through from the customer to the government via the corporation. So that is also true then for the salaries and compensation for the corporation's employees. their CUSTOMER is paying the employees' salary and compensation. so unless the corporation's customers are only rich people, which depending on what they sell,which if they sell like lamboghinis etc. . . I guess could be, but how much of the economy is based on the success of LUXURY goods? The Middle Class is supporting most of these corporations up and paying for their salaries.
Is that supposed to be some kind of insight no one ever had before?? That’s called economics.
so you agree then, you work for customers, rich, poor or middle class, so you OWE THEM your job
Quote:while I"m at it, why is a CEO worth 300%-500% of any other normal employee's pay? are they worth more, yes, 300%-500% more, um, probably not. yes they work super long hours and make incredible deals and answer to the shareholders and all of that, but that's not worth 500% more, that is a crazy assertion for me to wrap my head around
They are worth more because they can do what very few people can. Yes, they're worth 500% more, actually it's thousands of times more. I just saw a show on Costco's CEO. He guided Costco to an increase in stock value by 2,000%. That equals hundreds of millions year after year. Yea, he's worth 500% more than you.
sigh . . . and NO one else could've done that, that CEO is JUST THAT SPECIAL. . . the people working under him, from the stock boys to the cashiers to the management, those people making the COSTCO "experience" or at least getting that experience to be perceived as superior to their competitors, they aren't doing anything worth one cent of that 2000% increase huh??? all of their hard work is worthless but the CEO makes a phone call and wow, they are worth THOUSANDS of times more . . . .