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AGM battery problems
06/30/12 at 15:00:31
 
This is a battery 2 months old. Purchased new and fully charged.
The battery show good life but hardly turns the bike over, lights indicators all look good but not enough power to start unless I charge it.
Battery sitting in bike for a week        12.66 volts
Turn ignition on (canada lights on too)  9.5v
Crank her over                                    4v

jump start from car,
Still connected to car         idle      13v
                                2500  rpm   13.5v  
                                5000  rpm   13.7 v  
removed from car,             idle      11.6v
                               2500 rpm     11.8
                               5000 rpm     12.5v
turn off bike and its dead, back onto car and remove right away.
                                       idle     13.5v
                               2500 rpm 13.9v
                               5000 rpm  13.7 v
seems to be ok, so I ride up the road and back and talk to my friend next door for about 1.5hrs, bike wont start and now sitting at 11.9v.

Is this a sign I have a bad battery? its also hard to charge as my automatic charger says its charged. The top says "charge at i.2 amps" is a 2 amp charger too much?
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Re: AGM battery problems
Reply #1 - 06/30/12 at 15:15:30
 
Looking at the voltages your displaying and what's it's dropping to when you try to crank it.  It sounds like you have a bad battery.  If it drops below 10.5 volts on cranking that's a good indication that it has bad cells.

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Reply #2 - 06/30/12 at 16:38:58
 
Is there any load on the battery with the ignition turned off?   If you take the neg terminal off and touch it to the post, you should not see any sparking.
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Reply #3 - 06/30/12 at 17:47:43
 
There is no hidden load on the battery, just a pain drive of 1.5 hr each way to go buy one or return it.
My near canadian tire dont have the battery and say they will charge me more to size it and sell me one thats a close fit. Cant win. I do have a shoe box full of rechargeable AA batteries maybe I could rig something up in my saddle bags.
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Reply #4 - 06/30/12 at 20:15:23
 
A load on the battery with the key off, is a partial short.   That would explain why the battery bleeds down in just a short time.   Normally, with the key off, there will be no current flow to ANY circuit (i.e., an open).   You can measure current flow with an amp meter between a disconnected terminal and the battery post, however, a simple way is to bounce the terminal against the post a few times to see if it sparks (it shouldn't).
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Reply #5 - 06/30/12 at 21:11:39
 
Take a battery cable off & put a test lite in line between cable & & battery. It the lite lites while the key is on your pocket,, youve got an electrical issue.
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Reply #6 - 06/30/12 at 22:42:09
 
Good advice from all. I also wonder about the 13.7volts at 5000rpm. That almost points to a failing charging system...either regulator or stator.
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Reply #7 - 06/30/12 at 23:01:39
 
std charging output
14 - 15.5 vdc @ 5k rpm
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Reply #8 - 07/01/12 at 06:27:30
 
I have tried a multimeter in the line to check for battery drain and there is none.
To check charge rates does the battery have to be a good fully charged battery? I was wondering if that is why I dont reach 14.5 at 5000rpm?
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Reply #9 - 07/01/12 at 07:04:39
 
A max charging voltage spec will only be seen on a fully charged battery.
While charging, as the battery voltage rises, so does the charging system voltage. The amperage does just the opposite.

From all you have said, you have a bad battery. And I'm not so sure the charging system is working correct either. But I know that when dealing w/ a bad battery, a charging system can do very weird things. So when you get a known good battery, do check the charging system voltage. It should be at least 13 volts on a near dead battery, and at least 13.8 + on a charged battery.
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Reply #10 - 07/01/12 at 07:54:49
 
Thanks guys, now to track down a battery. Even my local wallymart dont have one that fits. close but poistive on wrong side of battery.
I charged my battery yesterday and  it settled at 12.82 v . I thought well give it one more try.
As soon as i turned the key the voltage was dropping like a brick, pressed the starter at 10.5 volts and it went down to 4v and dead.
But the thing is new, never had a new battery go this way.

One thing about these AGM batteries I noticed was the top says charge at 1.2 amps, I only have a 2 amp charger so would this put the final nail in the coffin?

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Reply #11 - 07/01/12 at 08:09:09
 
IDK how old that battery is, but Id take it to a parts house or Wall Mart & have it charged & tested. Its FREE,,
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Reply #12 - 07/01/12 at 08:09:31
 
I don't think the charger would cause the failure.   The alternator may even charge more than that, depending.   I still tend to think there is an excessive drain somewhere with key on or off.   Unfortunately, with this kind of problem, the solution at this point starts to become a process of elimination.

BTW, I've charged my AGM with a 6 amp charger and it still worked fine.   It probably would not be a good idea to leave it on, but to get it started temporarily it's fine.
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Reply #13 - 07/01/12 at 08:49:39
 
& he said

I still tend to think there is an excessive drain somewhere with key on or off.


which is another reason to take it for a test./
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Reply #14 - 07/01/12 at 10:29:06
 
I don't figure. If he fully charges the battery, and hits the starter, and it drops to even 9 volts the battery is,......now read my lips,....JUNK ! DUH ???
But I guess a little false hope ain't gonna kill him.
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