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12Bravo Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 628 Mid-Missouri Gender:	Re: Do you carry? Reply #30 - 06/30/12 at 07:01:08 I carry all of the time. I try my best to avoid bad situations but like knowing that I can defend myself if backed into a corner.
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Reply #31 - 06/30/12 at 10:05:48

Lots of the same old bogus remarks:
-- if you have a gun around, you are more likely to get shot with it than the bad guy
-- if everyone was packing, there would be unlimited murder and mayhem in the streets
-- a stick or a club or a knife or spray is more effective
-- etc.

Here are a few facts:
-- 99% of the folks who carry will never have to use the weapon for real
-- Most of the time a gun is used to defend one's self, it is not fired, and was very effective in diffusing the situation
-- Communities that allow unrestricted concealed carry for law-abiders have a lower crime rate. "An armed society is a polite society."
-- Communites that make it hard for law-abiders to defend themselves have a higher crime rate.
-- Pepper spray is NOT more effective than a bullet. Many of those who would assault you are on drugs, ... they don't even feel it.
-- The percentage of people who get shot firing their own gun in self-defense situations is less than 1% of 1%. That's a rate of less than one in ten thousand for all the times a gun was fired in self-defense. How many times has that happened so far this year? zero.
-- Less than 1/2 of 1% of the time a gun was drawn for a successful self-defense was the gun fired at the attacker.

Like JOG says, just because you aren't interested in having a gunfight, doesn't mean there won't be one. If someone acts like he is about to shoot my Granddot, I will be very very concerned and glad I am carrying. True, if I am in a Denny's and some bad guys come in to rob the place, I am not going to risk my life for the cash drawer, but if I or mine are threatened, it will be a different story.

I get a kick out of hearing of the many incidents you hear about in places like Oklahoma, Wyoming, Arizona, Nebraska, etc., where a bad guy trying to hold up a bank (or a Denny's) turns around and sees seven customers with a bead on him.

If you aren't comfortable with carrying, don't. Many of the folks that weren't comfortable, though, who buy concealed guns, buy them because they had an incident of some sort, and now defending themselves is more of an issue than being comfortable.

My recommendation for everyone is to get trained well, stay proficient, and carry. An armed society is a polite society.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Do you carry? Reply #32 - 06/30/12 at 10:08:17 In recent years, weve seen record gun sales, IF more guns = more shootings, then why is violent crims going down? You wanna see shootings? Go to Chicago, where guns are illegal,
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gerald.hughes Serious Thumper ModSquad Offline FSO Posts: 1100 Tucson, Az Gender:	Re: Do you carry? Reply #33 - 06/30/12 at 12:20:20 In Arizona, an open carry state, deaths from firearms have exceeded deaths from automobile accidents.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Do you carry? Reply #34 - 06/30/12 at 14:41:39 I had no idea Arizona had such good drivers..lets see them survive Dallas.
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Reply #35 - 06/30/12 at 18:33:30

gerald.hughes wrote on 06/30/12 at 12:20:20:

In Arizona, an open carry state, deaths from firearms have exceeded deaths from automobile accidents.

What a bogus apples/oranges statement!!

Alright then, here are some more stats:

There are ~ 30,000 deaths associated with guns each year compared to ~ 75,000 alcohol related deaths each year

Where does the firearms related accident rate show up in the top five categories of accidental deaths in the U.S.? It doesn't.

This could go on forever. The point is that if you are a law-abiding, properly trained carrier of a concealed weapon, you and your family are safer, and you are VERY unlikely to do yourself any harm with it.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Do you carry? Reply #36 - 06/30/12 at 19:20:06 I brought my lunch instead of riding my bicycle.
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ToesNose Serious Thumper Offline Pardon me, do you have Hot Sauce? Posts: 1993 Mooresville, NC Gender:	Re: Do you carry? Reply #37 - 06/30/12 at 19:25:01 I'm with you Gyrobob, if they outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns. In my opinion it's better to be trained with a firearm, own one and have the option to never use it then be in a situation where you need it and wind up S.O.L.
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ZAR Serious Thumper Offline Rock this town! Rock it inside out! Posts: 961 Kentucky, USA Gender:	Re: Do you carry? Reply #38 - 06/30/12 at 21:36:40 I have to agree that in areas that have higher legal gun ownership and concealed-carry laws it really does seem there are less crimes commited. I know if I were prone to comit a crime I'd do it in an area where there was less chance of a citizen shooting at me!
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Gyrobob Serious Thumper Offline Posers ain't motorcyclists Posts: 2571 Newnan, GA Gender:	Re: Do you carry? Reply #39 - 07/01/12 at 05:13:21 justin_o_guy2 wrote on 06/30/12 at 19:20:06: I brought my lunch instead of riding my bicycle. Yes, but which culls more, a penguin or a commercial?
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Reply #40 - 07/01/12 at 05:15:00

ToesNose wrote on 06/30/12 at 19:25:01:

I'm with you Gyrobob, if they outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns.
In my opinion it's better to be trained with a firearm, own one and have the option to never use it then be in a situation where you need it and wind up S.O.L.

Zackly. Can you imagine how you would feel for the rest of your life if your Daughter got hurt by a bad guy, and you could do nothing but watch?

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Reply #41 - 07/01/12 at 05:27:51

ZAR wrote on 06/30/12 at 21:36:40:

I have to agree that in areas that have higher legal gun ownership and concealed-carry laws it really does seem there are less crimes commited.

I know if I were prone to commit a crime I'd do it in an area where there was less chance of a citizen shooting at me!

"Seems" nothing!!! It is a fact. Check the FBI stats. Every single time in the good old USA, when gun laws make ownership more restictive for law-abiders, the crime rate goes up. The converse is also very true. Many many examples of this happening.

Remember how lovely it was when Florida changed their laws? When they became a "shall issue" state and they adopted the castle doctrine and the "Make my Day" laws?
-- The libs decried the murderous mayhem that would break out once the citizens could have easy access to firearms and would probably not be prosecuted for defending themselves or their property with deadly force.
-- Well,,.... what happened to the rate of the break ins, the muggings, the shootings, the robberies/burglaries? Within MONTHS it declined a lot and has stayed well below previous levels since.
-- The libs were wrong. Again.
-- This same phenomenon always happens. In our society, our culture, when the bad guys think there is a chance they'll come up against someone armed, they go somewhere else. They'll go to someplace where it is hard to get a gun.

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bill67 Serious Thumper Offline old tired Posts: 8517 genoa city wisconsin Gender:	Re: Do you carry? Reply #42 - 07/01/12 at 06:29:55 I must live in the good part of the USA I don't know are heard of anybody that carry guns.
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Greg Serious Thumper Offline Molon Labe Posts: 1251 Southeast PA, uSA Gender:	Re: Do you carry? Reply #43 - 07/01/12 at 06:33:28 I've been wondering...what's the best oil to use on my firearms?
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rfw2003 Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1108 Yantis, TX	Re: Do you carry? Reply #44 - 07/01/12 at 06:36:33 Myself I use Butch's Gun oil.
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