HMO's and big Pharma have spent 250 million in negative ads to kill Obamacare...
That is money that came from working people to insure their health... it clearly didn't go to care...
How much have they spent lobbying?... I don't know... but, I'll bet it's a substantial sum...
How far would that money go to paying for Obamacare?... estimates are a little over 1 trillion for ten years...  
That money would have covered more than a than a quarter of it,...
...wasted...
You paid for it...  They're not fighting for you,.. they're fighting for their profits...

2/3rds of private bankruptcies are related to healthcare...
Obamacare will end that...  No man will lose all his life's work and savings due to an illness...
This is why we buy insurance of any kind... To protect ourselves...
Private health insurance does not protect you...  
2/3rds of private bankruptcies are related to healthcare...


Good riddance... to a corrupt system... ...

They will have more customers, and will make profits... but, they won't be allowed to make outrageous profits...

They don't spend 250 million for funzies...  ...

This is the problem with conspiracy theories...
Curtains everywhere...
There are no curtains... These things are done in the open and legal...
This is greed... pure and simple...
All American, Yankee Doodle, patriotic, flag wavin',... greed...

You forget... I've lived with a nation health system for years...
You also forget,.. Medicare has the highest patient customer satisfaction rate of all health deliverers in the US...

In a few short years... people will wonder what all this fuss was about... and why it took so long to figure out what the rest of the world already knows...
... and cost will be less... much less... no crippled economy...
If the system we have now hasn't done it,... no way will a National health...

You seem to think the negative ad campaigns are lies... yet you are fully believing the fear-mongering, paranoid, lies they told...
"It'll be terrible,.. death panels,.. soaring costs... ruined economy,... kill grandma"...
All lies from big money interests...
Believe them or don't.... but you can't believe they are lies, and believe them as truth at the same time...

+1 Bot,  You cant make a blind man see!!!

Whether or not Obamacare turns out to be a good idea in the long run, is a matter of debate, to say the least. All these fortunetelling arguments of effect are extremely hard to sort out... only a fool predicts the future.  That applies to this health care thing as well as the right wing we-gotta-police-the-world or there'll be MAYHEM by gobbity gooseshit!    

Have you ever considered why on Earth a person would ever hate another, over a difference of opinion?  A person disagrees.. FINE, it takes all kinds to fill up the freeway, not a problem at all.  Why is there even such a thing as "right wing hate radio" anyway?  The answer of course, is that those opinions eventually get worked into some government policy, forcing the disagreer to go along with, and support that which he disagrees.  That is what's so infuriating.  People can smell that a mile off, so they tend to get their dander up before the thing ever goes into effect.

I would never berate you for your opinion (in itself) that socialized medicine is a good idea. I would never deny you the right to run a community experiment, among willing participants, to see if it worked out, and how well. And I wouldn't dream of forcing you to actively treat your neighbors a certain way.  The first rule of medicine is "do no harm" right?  At a minimum, do no more harm than leaving them alone.

Won't you extend me the same courtesy?  I don't mean in meaningless web forum pontification.  I mean in a material way, as in, may I withdraw my financial support from this thing I think may be harmful in the long term?                  

But Boule'!  No man is an island! We're all in this together, and we have this system of democracy you see, whereby we must go with what the majority thinks is best!      

Fine then, will you at least be a Democrat and recognize that greater than 50% of We the People do not want it.  The anniversary of this flagship piece of legislation has passed with nary a whimper and now it's like Obama doesn't want to even mention it.  He knows people generally don't want it.

See, to remain pro-Obamacare requires that you 1)arrogantly bust out the crystal ball and conclude that the effects will be more good than harm  2)deny your fellow countrymen the simple, natural right to disagree with the idea by not participating in it, and 3)sell out the very concept of democracy.

That's some blue koolaid there dude.

Every poll Ive seen showed about a 60/40 split against. We are supposedly a representative republic, IF that were true, the REpresentatives would have voted as their constituents wanted.

How will it be cheaper?...
I've listed , time and again...  You refusing to listen don't change the facts...
... but,.. we currently have a system that costs two to three times the average of other countries, with worse outcomes and less covered... and, a third of what we pay goes to HMO profits and stockholders...
You couldn't make a less efficient, more bungled system if you tried...

I just read the headlines of about 30 articles from 2012 indicating the cost of healthcare is rising rapidly in Europe. That was predictable. Services are being rationed whether you want to admit it or not, it’s happening.

I just can’t understand you Sew (or anyone else) with the notion that government running anything makes is more efficient and less expensive; much less an industry touching 1/6 of the economy. There is nothing you can point to that illustrates this.  Nothing.

But this discussion is a moot point to a certain degree. The real cost of Obamacare will take 5+ years to overwhelm us and by then it might be too late.

And the idea that this makes Romney’s case easier, I just don’t get. I read several Republican articles saying this, but I disagree. Yea, Romney raised about 5 million bucks 3 seconds after Roberts’s decision, but so what?  If this election turns into a decision on healthcare, Romney loses. There’s no way he’ll be able to overcome Obama’s campaign, left leaning culture and the left leaning msm’s protection of him. No way. Brian Williams will have ‘news’ stories about people in hospitals and what will happen to them if Romney gets elected. NBC might as well have that little campaign ending on the last 5 seconds of every broadcast; I’m Barack Obama and I approved this message…

If, however, Romney keeps pointing out the economy sucks and it’s obama’s fault (which it is) and obamacare is just another example of this, and he makes the case that America succeeds when she depends on her citizens not elected officials, he has a chance. That’s a tough (but true) argument to make. I’m not optimistic. I’m afraid we have 4 more years of hope and change…. Oh boy…


but,.. we currently have a system that costs two to three times the average of other countries, with worse outcomes and less covered... and, a third of what we pay goes to HMO profits and stockholders...

one last point on this; I am one of those stockholders as are millions, maybe even you. My 401(k), which is a hell of a lot more valuable than all the money I’ve paid in SS all these years, is funded by profits like this. I know it’s fashionable to call profits a dirty word, but there are a hundred million Americans putting money back into the economy that come from these evil profits.