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bill67 Serious Thumper Offline old tired Posts: 8517 genoa city wisconsin Gender:	Re: No Mid-Range Throttle - Dies When Choke Applie Reply #15 - 06/20/12 at 13:37:07 Did you try Sea Foam.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: No Mid-Range Throttle - Dies When Choke Applie Reply #17 - 06/20/12 at 13:43:01 Eaux,, quite, if I do say so myself.. Use your best British accent.
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l33tl4m3r YaBB Newbies Offline A Frakkin Toaster Posts: 35 Albuquerque, NM Gender:	Re: No Mid-Range Throttle - Dies When Choke Applie Reply #18 - 06/20/12 at 13:51:06 bill67 wrote on 06/20/12 at 13:37:07: Did you try Sea Foam. LOL! I was JUST reading this thread; http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1340175233 Justin; Was that response to me? lol! I will say that switching to Primary yields the same results as the On position.
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Re: No Mid-Range Throttle - Dies When Choke Applie
Reply #19 - 06/20/12 at 13:56:00

l33tl4m3r wrote on 06/20/12 at 13:12:37:

It idles fine, but when I put it into gear, let the clutch out and begin to move as soon as I pass about 1/4 throttle open and the clutch is all the way out the bike accelerates very slowly and no matter how far I turn out the throttle it does not move or respond any faster just simply revs the engine higher.

Hope this helps and makes sense!

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From what you described here, the problem is most definitely clutch slippage. When you are in gear and you throttle up and the engine revs but the bike doesn't respond, you clutch is definitely slipping. The reason it isn't slipping at lower throttle is because your not applying as much power and torque.

What Oil are you using in your bike? Hopefully a JASO approved oil or motorcycle oil and not normal Automotive engine oil as automotive engine oils will not work with a wet clutch system and cause them to slip like crazy after they soak into the friction pads. If adjusting the clutch didn't help the issue looks like it may be time for a clutch job.

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Reply #20 - 06/20/12 at 14:10:11

rfw2003 wrote on 06/20/12 at 13:56:00:

l33tl4m3r wrote on 06/20/12 at 13:12:37:

It idles fine, but when I put it into gear, let the clutch out and begin to move as soon as I pass about 1/4 throttle open and the clutch is all the way out the bike accelerates very slowly and no matter how far I turn out the throttle it does not move or respond any faster just simply revs the engine higher.

Hope this helps and makes sense!

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Thanks again, everyone

From what you described here, the problem is most definitely clutch slippage. When you are in gear and you throttle up and the engine revs but the bike doesn't respond, you clutch is definitely slipping. The reason it isn't slipping at lower throttle is because your not applying as much power and torque.

What Oil are you using in your bike? Hopefully a JASO approved oil or motorcycle oil and not normal Automotive engine oil as automotive engine oils will not work with a wet clutch system and cause them to slip like crazy after they soak into the friction pads. If adjusting the clutch didn't help the issue looks like it may be time for a clutch job.

R.F.

I have not changed the oil yet, I've only put on about 60 miles on the bike since I got it, mostly because of how poorly it is riding right now.

I will change the oil, and on my previous bikes I've always gone with a synthetic (something like a 20w-50 or 10w-40 mobil 1, etc.) due to the temps around here. It's almost 100f today.

I hadn't even thought about what type of oil had been used on the bike for it's last change.

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Reply #21 - 06/20/12 at 14:29:46

If youre talking about the thing Not Accelerating as RPM climb, yes, its oil. Dont spend a lot of $$$ on it, Get some Rotella T & slap in it. Use that to flush it. If you get a gallon of Rotella 15-40, you can change the oil & filter one time, then, in a few hundred miles, dump the oil, keep the filter & all the slimy crap will be Dang Near Gone, it wont bother you any more,.
YOu can save $$ & not suffer cost/loss by using Rotella, Just my opinion,

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Reply #22 - 06/20/12 at 14:43:53

As I stated above, learned from you guys, go with simple first, so I will definitely be taking these steps with the oil first.

I will do that this evening or in the next day or so and let you guys know my results after riding it around and changing the oil again.

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Once again, thanks for all the help and advice, folks! I really appreciate it!

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: No Mid-Range Throttle - Dies When Choke Applie Reply #23 - 06/20/12 at 15:02:24 Is that whats happening? Youre accelerating & the RPM climb but the speed doesnt feel like its climbing with the RPM?
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Reply #24 - 06/20/12 at 15:21:57

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 06/20/12 at 15:02:24:

Is that whats happening? Youre accelerating & the RPM climb but the speed doesnt feel like its climbing with the RPM?

Yeah, that's what's happening.

In the first bit of throttle it seems fine but once I get over 1/4 or so open on the throttle the RPMs climb but the bike seems to stop accelerating at the same rate it was at first.

It certainly is NOT speeding up with the RPMs as it should be.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: No Mid-Range Throttle - Dies When Choke Applie Reply #25 - 06/20/12 at 15:40:35 Okay, sounds like a case of friction modifier poisoning of the clutch. Good catch, whoever caught that.. Yea, dont waste $$ on it, go with a low buck oil( not a synthetic) like Rotella T 15-40, & flush it.,
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bill67 Serious Thumper Offline old tired Posts: 8517 genoa city wisconsin Gender:	Re: No Mid-Range Throttle - Dies When Choke Applie Reply #26 - 06/20/12 at 15:59:10 Put some Sea Foam in the oil and run it it will clean the clutch,Then don't use cheap oil use a good motorcycle oil made for motorcycles.
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Reply #27 - 06/20/12 at 16:30:53

Rotella isnt a "cheap" oil, its a reasonably priced, high quality oil,sufficient to keep high compression diesel engines alive for a million miles., keep on with it, Bill. Tiresome is becoming of you.,
I was talking about it being cheap compared to a synth, which I think I stated in a post,.but you would have missed that little detail.

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Reply #28 - 06/21/12 at 19:42:34

You folks are fantastic!

I wanna say thanks to EVERYONE who helped me out and offered their advice!

Serow, RF, and Justin; thank you for getting my head out of the carb and back where it should have been!

I swapped out the oil and flushed it with a few quarts of Rotella then filled her up.

I gave the clutch cable some slack.

I took off from 0 - 60 in seconds.

I mean the bike seems to be 100% at this point, I am simply amazed, THIS is the light, fast cruiser I had been reading about when I bought this one.

Thanks again everyone!

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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Online OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28639 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: No Mid-Range Throttle - Dies When Choke Applie Reply #29 - 06/21/12 at 20:00:07 Yer' welcome, 33... By the way,.. that's your official abbreviated Savage name here, if you're gonna' hang around... To heck if I'm gonna' type l33tl4m3r every time I wanna' say hi... ...
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