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Reply #60 - 11/07/12 at 20:49:27
 
SALB wrote on 11/07/12 at 10:01:53:
I asked the service tech when he was installing new card readers at the station next door to work.  He said that from the switching valve in the bottom, to the top of the pump, and back down the hose was about 1/2 to 3/4 gallons.  Also, there is no such thing as mid grade going old, as it is half low grade and half high grade, mixed 50/50.




Switching valve at the bottom of what?
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Reply #61 - 11/07/12 at 21:09:14
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 11/07/12 at 20:49:27:
SALB wrote on 11/07/12 at 10:01:53:
I asked the service tech when he was installing new card readers at the station next door to work.  He said that from the switching valve in the bottom, to the top of the pump, and back down the hose was about 1/2 to 3/4 gallons.  Also, there is no such thing as mid grade going old, as it is half low grade and half high grade, mixed 50/50.


Switching valve at the bottom of what?


The switching valve sits in the bottom of the pump with the filters, and switches between low grade, high grade, or a 50/50 mix for mid grade. Wink
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Reply #62 - 11/07/12 at 21:28:21
 
That would be where the manifold I was talking about would be,
I sure dont remember any switching valves, but that was,, crap,, how many years? Its been about 14 years, pump designs change,,I hated working on those things..
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Reply #63 - 11/08/12 at 04:33:12
 
SALB wrote on 11/07/12 at 10:01:53:
I asked the service tech when he was installing new card readers at the station next door to work.  He said that from the switching valve in the bottom, to the top of the pump, and back down the hose was about 1/2 to 3/4 gallons.  Also, there is no such thing as mid grade going old, as it is half low grade and half high grade, mixed 50/50.



There is too such a thing as mid-grade going old.  Some stations still have midgrade tanks.  The fuel trucks fill them with 50/50.

Even with stations that only have regular and premium tanks, if the pump has not pumped midgrade in a few weeks or months, you are still getting stale gas that is in the midgrade line and might have had some condensation added to it.

Also, as I brought up before, this is a silly discussion because there is never any reason for any Savage riders to use mid-grade, even if, for the sake of discussion, it was always as fresh as the other grades.  We either use regular for a stock bike, or, for a modded bike with a hot cam or "adjusted" ignition or higher compression, premium.
 
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Reply #64 - 11/08/12 at 05:35:00
 
Actually the law says the mix can be as bad as 65/35 reg/prem so you're not really getting a proper mix. Mid grade is a total rip off.
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Reply #65 - 11/08/12 at 05:46:45
 
Serowbot wrote on 11/07/12 at 09:46:26:
I was always taught,.. smoke when running is rings,.. smoke upon start-up is valve stem seals...


Me too. Smokes all the time. I took it out last night for 20 minutes and still not much improvement.
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Reply #66 - 11/09/12 at 08:06:07
 
Tom K wrote on 11/08/12 at 05:46:45:
Serowbot wrote on 11/07/12 at 09:46:26:
I was always taught,.. smoke when running is rings,.. smoke upon start-up is valve stem seals...


Me too. Smokes all the time. I took it out last night for 20 minutes and still not much improvement.



Did you get the assembly lube all burnt off ?
Is it definitely oil ? or you running rich ?
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Reply #67 - 11/09/12 at 08:54:14
 
srinath wrote on 11/09/12 at 08:06:07:
Tom K wrote on 11/08/12 at 05:46:45:
Serowbot wrote on 11/07/12 at 09:46:26:
I was always taught,.. smoke when running is rings,.. smoke upon start-up is valve stem seals...


Me too. Smokes all the time. I took it out last night for 20 minutes and still not much improvement.



Did you get the assembly lube all burnt off ?
Is it definitely oil ? or you running rich ?
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Mine is doing something more weird than that, and that since years. When temps get lower in winter, when starting cold I always let it run for a minute. No smoke at startup, but then after half a minute of running it starts blueish whitish smoke for another 10 seconds then quits smoking. It only does it in winter, never in summer, and oil consumption is negligible.
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Reply #68 - 11/09/12 at 09:04:42
 
ralfyguy wrote on 11/09/12 at 08:54:14:
Mine is doing something more weird than that, and that since years. When temps get lower in winter, when starting cold I always let it run for a minute. No smoke at startup, but then after half a minute of running it starts blueish whitish smoke for another 10 seconds then quits smoking. It only does it in winter, never in summer, and oil consumption is negligible.

No worries there, Ralfy boy...
That,... is water vapor,... condensation in your pipe... Wink...
Happens to all vehicles in winter...  
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Reply #69 - 11/09/12 at 09:35:10
 
If youre behind someone who hasnt been on the road long enough to get it warmed up good, you can see water dripping out the exhaust,
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Reply #70 - 11/09/12 at 10:10:44
 
ralfyguy wrote on 11/09/12 at 08:54:14:
srinath wrote on 11/09/12 at 08:06:07:
Tom K wrote on 11/08/12 at 05:46:45:
Serowbot wrote on 11/07/12 at 09:46:26:
I was always taught,.. smoke when running is rings,.. smoke upon start-up is valve stem seals...


Me too. Smokes all the time. I took it out last night for 20 minutes and still not much improvement.



Did you get the assembly lube all burnt off ?
Is it definitely oil ? or you running rich ?
Cool.
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Mine is doing something more weird than that, and that since years. When temps get lower in winter, when starting cold I always let it run for a minute. No smoke at startup, but then after half a minute of running it starts blueish whitish smoke for another 10 seconds then quits smoking. It only does it in winter, never in summer, and oil consumption is negligible.



Maybe ... maybe not that water vapor thing serowbot said.

This is a litte more serious scenario.

Valves when cold have a clearance lets say 1 thou. After the motor fully comes up to temperature, that will increase usually but by a very small amount, say 1.25 thou.

However the components all do not heat up @ the same rate.

The parts that get the hottest fastest are the exhaust valves, cos the exhaust is streaming past its stem. Since that is 1 heat path and the other path is the head which typically get to temp the slowest, you can easily have a valve staying open as the heat builds ... usually may not be an issue ... but worth checking your clearance, and if you're tending close to the limit on the exhaust, go ahead and set it toward the high end of the spec and you could see this go away.

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Reply #71 - 11/10/12 at 05:53:04
 
srinath wrote on 11/09/12 at 08:06:07:
Did you get the assembly lube all burnt off ?
Is it definitely oil ? or you running rich ?
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Definitely oil. About 40 miles on it now.
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