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Re: suzuki savage Engine bogs down high rpm
Reply #15 - 07/30/12 at 18:12:18

Justin, go up three posts and READ it -- I can't be getting on the boy's case about not talking if you aren't reading when he does talk.

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Davidoff74, the flat chromed steel clutch lever on the right hand clutch case must be within the marks on the gearcase main housing -- if you get it in the middle or thereabouts of that two mark zone then STOP -- you are done with the internal clutch work.

Your clutch lever must have free play in it, we commonly say "a nickel's thickness in the gap between lever and housing" -- this should be non-tension loose free play. It guarantees your clutch gets let out all the way.

Your clutch should disengage and reengage within the outer 2/3 to 1/2 of a full grip motion. This engagement is adjusted with the clutch cable threads and lock nuts (right above the lever we were talking about).

Tell us when all of the above are done.

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Reply #17 - 07/31/12 at 01:45:38

Hi guys.

Checked the position of the clutch rod yesterday. It was positioned far below the operating zone (the marks). I changed the longest rod to the shortest one and the result if much better. Now it operates within the marked zone. Problem now is that i got to much slack on the clutch lever on the "stearing wheel" but its rideable. If i thighten this one (on the stearing) the rod on the clutch cascet moves up and out of position again. Perhaps i need the middle pushrod after all (or a shorter cable?)

Il do some more adjusting tonight and let u know.

I got full power now at 1-3rd (0-80km/h) gear and ok on 4-5. I thinks it still slips a bit on the higher gears but not a big deal. Perhaps this is normal?

Im using the following oil at the moment:

1 x Silkolene Super 4 10W/40 Syntetforsterket mineralolje 4L(Silkolene Super 4 10W/40 Synthetic enhanced mineraloil 4L)

Thx for the help guys, you are the best! Grin

Adding a small link to a youtube video of my Savage project for the fun of it if you wanna have a look: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASBTUEoAnSA

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Re: suzuki savage Engine bogs down high rpm
Reply #18 - 07/31/12 at 03:44:35

Your clutch cable as a cable has two adjustment points, one on the handle bars and one on the top of the gear case near the chromed lever you have been fiddling with. If you are "out of adjustment room" on these cable adjustment points then your chrome lever position and pushrods are not right.

You did not need the new clutch plates -- we have never had a worn out clutch yet here on the list.

What you needed to do was (and still is) to properly adjust the clutch cable and the pushrods.

UNHOOK THE CABLE COMPLETELY, then get the chromed lever between the marks on the gear case using the pushrods. Use a rubber band to put the proper slight "up" force on the chromed lever while doing this pushrod adjustment.

Then hook the cable back up and adjust it for correct amount of clearance slack measured by the "nickel thickness" test. Your lever must always have some small amount of slack, or it does not allow the clutch to engage all the way.

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Davidoff74 YaBB Newbies Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 14	Re: suzuki savage Engine bogs down high rpm Reply #19 - 07/31/12 at 04:50:28 Thx Oldfeller! Nice tips on adjusting the cable! Will do so tonight! I think we will have a happy ending on this clutch problem after all
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Reply #20 - 08/01/12 at 03:07:59

Hi

Adjusted the clutch after the tips i got an everything is fine now, still feels like clutch slipping little bit on the higher gears and a bit more when the bike is cold.

Could it be the oil or that i need to clean the clutch plates?

Anyone know a oil type that we know is optimal for the little Savage??

Thx

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Davidoff74 YaBB Newbies Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 14	Re: suzuki savage Engine bogs down high rpm Reply #21 - 08/07/12 at 06:32:28 Hi Anyone know a oil type that we know is optimal for the little Savage?? Thx
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bill67 Serious Thumper Offline old tired Posts: 8517 genoa city wisconsin Gender:	Re: suzuki savage Engine bogs down high rpm Reply #22 - 08/07/12 at 06:45:56 Any synthetic motorcycle oil is best for the S40 motor and gear box.Klotz is my favorite.
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Reply #23 - 08/07/12 at 07:08:03

You would likely be well served by either Shell Rotella 15W-40 conventional oil, or Shell Rotella T6 5W-40 synthetic. Both are JASO MA rated, which Suzuki recommends for the S40. Both are available on the shelf at Walmart stores, although in my local store only the 15W-40 is available by the quart. Both are available in gallon jugs.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: suzuki savage Engine bogs down high rpm Reply #24 - 08/07/12 at 07:13:36 First install may not get it, go cheap, get the rotella white jug. If you have to dump it in 100 miles, you wont cry. & Its plenty good oil,
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bill67 Serious Thumper Offline old tired Posts: 8517 genoa city wisconsin Gender:	Re: suzuki savage Engine bogs down high rpm Reply #25 - 08/07/12 at 09:04:11 Get a real Motorcyle oil and you want have to dump it 100 miles,Notice all the people on here having troubles. use motorcycle oil made for motorcycles and you want have troubles.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: suzuki savage Engine bogs down high rpm Reply #26 - 08/07/12 at 09:22:21 Bill,, He mite need to flush it once,, even with your needlessly expensive oil.
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Re: suzuki savage Engine bogs down high rpm
Reply #27 - 08/07/12 at 09:27:42

Charon wrote on 08/07/12 at 07:08:03:

You would likely be well served by either Shell Rotella 15W-40 conventional oil, or Shell Rotella T6 5W-40 synthetic. Both are JASO MA rated, which Suzuki recommends for the S40. Both are available on the shelf at Walmart stores, although in my local store only the 15W-40 is available by the quart. Both are available in gallon jugs.

All motorcycle oils are JASO MA rated,Suzuki recommends using High performance motorcycle oil.

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Re: suzuki savage Engine bogs down high rpm
Reply #28 - 08/07/12 at 09:39:46

bill67 wrote on 08/07/12 at 09:27:42:

Charon wrote on 08/07/12 at 07:08:03:

You would likely be well served by either Shell Rotella 15W-40 conventional oil, or Shell Rotella T6 5W-40 synthetic. Both are JASO MA rated, which Suzuki recommends for the S40. Both are available on the shelf at Walmart stores, although in my local store only the 15W-40 is available by the quart. Both are available in gallon jugs.

All motorcycle oils are JASO MA rated,Suzuki recommends using High performance motorcycle oil.

Bill, you know better.

Suzuki recommends using Suzuki Brand oil, which is not high performance anything. Suzuki Brand is a standard 1,000 ppm ZDDP package dino or synthetic oil WHICH DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH ZDDP for the flat tappet rocker system in the Savage engine.

Use the Rotella T in the white jug --- Justin has a good point, you may be changing it fairly quickly. If you like synthetic oil, use the Rotella T-6 in the blue jug.

Justin, you were the head of the Kangaroo Kourt that convicted Bill for giving bad recommendations to newbies that last time --- what was that sentence he was given again?

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bill67 Serious Thumper Offline old tired Posts: 8517 genoa city wisconsin Gender:	Re: suzuki savage Engine bogs down high rpm Reply #29 - 08/07/12 at 09:52:39 Shell makes motorcycle oil you can't buy in the USA,Shell Advanced Motorcycle oil,Look it up they tell you right on there that motorcycle are a lot harder on oil than cars,so that why you should use motorcycle oil only.OF you should know better.
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