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Reply #345 - 11/20/11 at 14:51:09
 
And you never will be If you don't start eating wheat.
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Reply #346 - 11/20/11 at 14:58:21
 
bill67 wrote on 11/20/11 at 14:51:09:
And you never will be If you don't start eating wheat.



Exactly!  If I stop eating wheat I might be heath (whatever that means).  Yet another reason to stay off the stuff.  Thanks for the additional motivation.
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Reply #347 - 11/20/11 at 14:59:56
 
Apparently the book is in such demand, they are translating it into different languages,.. French and Spanish so far.
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Reply #348 - 11/20/11 at 16:54:52
 
I want real science, real risks, real data. Not hyperbole and nonsense.

I'm wondering what kind of kick-back your getting on being a shill for the book sales of this nonsense. Come on, tell us what's the connection?....and why does the book have such a stupid name?  what the hell is a "wheat belly"?

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This from Evolutionary Psychiatry, article by Emily Deans, M.D. a psychiatrist in Massachusetts searching for evolutionary solutions to the general and mental health problems of the 21st century.

Here is her review of the book:

Despite a time crunch, I did manage to squeeze in Wheat Belly over the weekend (most of it), and read the rest last night.

No, I don't like it.

No, I don't eat wheat as a rule, and I am not a grain industry shill.

But I don't feel I have to put my name out in support of a shoddy, sloppy book just because the overall message "wheat sux" agrees with my thoughts that wheat gluten and other wheat proteins likely are inflammatory in many people and cause problems for more than just those with celiac disease.  I think most physicians and researchers with critical thinking skills will find this book useless and full of hyperbole.  For those not taken in by the confident tone, it may do more harm than good.

Why don't I like Wheat Belly?  In short, it is the carelessness and simplicity of the message.  Hyperbole and poorly supported, confident claims.  Obesity and chronic illness is a complicated subject.  It doesn't come down to wheat.  Wheat isn't responsible (entirely) for "moobs" or the other too-cute phrases Dr. Davis churns out ad nauseum throughout the book.

An example?  In chapter 4, Dr. Davis spends a bit of time discussing the evidence linking wheat to schizophrenia and addiction.  I've discussed this issue at some length and noted the obvious circumstantiality of the evidence and the need for more research.  (see Wheat and Schizophrenia and Wheat and Serious Mental Illness).  And while Dr. Dohan (who was the major researcher who championed the wheat causes schizophrenia meme) felt he had evidence that schizophrenia has increased incidence in wheat-eating populations, most modern schizophrenia researchers make note that schizophrenia is pretty consistent in incidence across many populations - around 1%-1.3% incidence, in the developing world and in the Western world, in rice eating Chinese areas and the wheat-eating American Midwest.

Dr. Davis says:  "while it seems unlikely that wheat exposure caused schizophrenia in the first place, the observations of Dr. Dohan and others suggest that wheat is associated with measurable worsening of symptoms."  I don't get that quote at all.  Is the incidence of schizophrenia higher in non-wheat eating countries or not?  Do exorphins cause psychotic symptoms or not?  Schizophrenia, after all, is defined by the symptoms.  Something that "worsens" schizophrenia will cause schizophrenia, a symptomatically defined illness, as I've discussed earlier in my posts on cannabis.

But where I find the book to be critically annoying is in the discussion of addiction and opiates.  Wheat, as we know, has break-down components that are exorphins, which activate the opiate receptors in the brain and nervous system (the same receptors that are activated by our natural endorphins, opium, morphine, heroin, percocet, and other opiate painkillers).  The opiate pathway is part of the reward pathway in the brain, and is actually activated by anything "rewarding" - such as sex, exercise, drugs, gambling, and rock and roll.

Where I agree with Dr. Davis is that I have seen clinical evidence that some people seem to be "addicted" to wheat.  Particularly night bread binge-eaters.  They talk about bread much like one of my opiate addict patients would talk about oxycontin.  They can't stop eating it even after they are full, and even when they desperately want to lose weight.  They will leave their cozy house and pick up crackers, pretzels, fast food with fluffy bread, or a fresh loaf to eat at night. Critically, in certain cases (where more evidence-based methods have been tried), I've managed to stop these cravings and binge behaviors with naltrexone, which blocks the opiate receptors and short-circuits reward.  The problem is, ALL reward is mediated through opiate and dopamine, so using naltrexone doesn't tell you that you've blocked specific wheat exorphins - maybe the person has a real jones for fresh steaming lovely bread for simple reward sake - like some people love chocolate, Pringles, or cocaine.

It's a good message, though, and something that should be researched.  But then Dr. Davis comes up with this sentence (and also states he has seen the withdrawal and "brain fog" from wheat in "thousands of people"then later "I've personally witnessed hundreds of people…"), which is incredibly jarring and ruins the credibility of the message: "Let's pretend you're an inner-city heroin addict.  You get knifed during a drug deal gone sour and get carted to the nearest trauma emergency room.  Because you're high on heroin, you kick and scream at the ER staff trying to help you.  So these nice people strap you down and inject you with a drug called naloxone, and you are instantly not high."

Naloxone (and it's orally administered cousin, naltrexone), is an opiate blocker, or "opiate antagonist."  It will immediately knock opiates off the opiate receptor and put someone high on opiates into instant withdrawal.  This is not only extremely unpleasant, it tends to make people very agitated, unhappy, and even violent.  If you have to do it to save someone's life, you do it.  If someone is overdosing on opiates and loses the chemical signal to breathe, it will be lifesaving. If someone is alert and active and still high on heroin, injecting someone with naloxone would be a galactically stupid thing to do, particularly if you were just injured in a knife fight and needed some painkilling.  Injecting someone with naloxone will mean that the strong painkillers will not work in someone who will have a high tolerance to hospital painkillers.

Any emergency room physician, nurse, or doctor with a shred of ER experiecne will read that sentence in "Wheat Belly" and go, "huh?  What is this guy talking about, and is he galactically stupid?"

Honestly, I think it is a throwaway line that was carelessly written and carelessly published.  And other "paleo" books like  "The Vegetarian Myth" are full of lines like that.  But you know what, I have a much higher standard for a cardiologist than I do for a non-scientist like Lierre Keith.  I want real science, real risks, real data.  Not hyperbole and nonsense.

So no, I don't recommend Wheat Belly (Nor am I saying that Dr. Davis is stupid - far from it - just careless in his phrasing.  If you are going to take on Conventional Wisdom of Healthy Whole Wheat, you really have to "bring it."  It was not brought.)



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Reply #349 - 11/20/11 at 17:19:52
 
Starlifter wrote on 11/20/11 at 16:54:52:
I want real science, real risks, real data. Not hyperbole and nonsense.

I'm wondering what kind of kick-back your getting on being a shill for the book sales of this nonsense. Come on, tell us what's the connection?....and why does the book have such a stupid name?  what the hell is a "wheat belly"?

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This from Evolutionary Psychiatry, article by Emily Deans, M.D. a psychiatrist in Massachusetts searching for evolutionary solutions to the general and mental health problems of the 21st century.

Here is her review of the book:

Despite a time crunch, I did manage to squeeze in Wheat Belly over the weekend (most of it), and read the rest last night.

No, I don't like it.

No, I don't eat wheat as a rule, and I am not a grain industry shill.

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(Nor am I saying that Dr. Davis is stupid - far from it - just careless in his phrasing.  If you are going to take on Conventional Wisdom of Healthy Whole Wheat, you really have to "bring it."  It was not brought.)






Nice try.  So you found one "expert" who says she doesn't disagree, but doesn't like the way he presented it.   She says he was "just careless in his phrasing."  Okay.

I wonder what she would say about all the improvements that have happened to me in the past 7 weeks,... improvements that can be due to nothing other than eating no wheat or other grains.

Your statement, "I'm wondering what kind of kick-back your getting on being a shill for the book sales of this nonsense. Come on, tell us what's the connection?....and why does the book have such a stupid name?  what the hell is a "wheat belly"? is laughable.  Surely you don't believe that statement.  I'll just assume you are tossing it out to the rest of us for comedic effect.

One of your main problems, and the reason your comments here have so little credibility, is that you refuse to read the book.  How can any of us take you seriously when you simply spew the same wheat-lobby hype without knowing at all what the Wheat Belly book is about?

I agree the name sounds stupid.  I wish he would have used something that didn't sound so goofy.  But, that's the name, and that's that.

The term "wheat belly" refers to what happens to wheat eaters when they start putting on weight.  It is a shape of the abdomen that occurs when visceral fat (fat surrounding and invading the internal organs) starts to grow.  The visceral fat is something in addition to just the plain old fat that is laid on the body all over,... thighs, spare tire, man-tits, triple chin, etc.  The visceral fat is especially unhealthy because not only is it fat, it is fat that is damaging vital internal organs.  When the shape of each organ starts to swell and make the front of the abdomen abnormally protrude, you have "wheat belly."

So, that's what wheat belly means.  If you would have read just the first few pages of the book, you'd know that.

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Reply #350 - 11/21/11 at 02:12:56
 
Gyro you simply feel better because you have lost weight,Most over weight people who lose weight will feel better even if its just in their head.
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Reply #351 - 11/21/11 at 04:02:24
 
"improvements that can be due to nothing other than eating no wheat or other grains."
This is the Atkins diet, which will cause you to loose weight, which will make you feel better.
Why don't you go back to eating "other grains", but not wheat, and see what happens?
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Reply #352 - 11/21/11 at 04:02:43
 
bill67 wrote on 11/21/11 at 02:12:56:
Gyro you simply feel better because you have lost weight,Most over weight people who lose weight will feel better even if its just in their head.


I feel better, but I wasn't trying to lose weight.  I wasn't overweight, anyway, you crotchety old man.  I didn't care about losing weight,... I was fine averaging around 210 on my 6'3" bod.

The results I have experienced have been surprises.  I'm talking about no more headaches, less tinnitus, less bruising, gentle regularity, joint pain gone, no more allegra, more stamina/energy, appetite diminished, get full so much sooner, heartburn gone, no more melatonin since I can fall asleep easily now, no caffeine required anymore, blood pressure lower,... AND losing enough belly so far I am having to punch new holes in my size 38 belts!  

I would call this quite a bit more than "feeling better."  Plus, I didn't know what was going to be happening,.. each of these things was a pleasant surprise.  A lot of them kind of snuck up on me and it took me a while to realize the good news.

Sorry billiam, wrong again.
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Reply #353 - 11/21/11 at 04:03:35
 
arteacher wrote on 11/21/11 at 04:02:24:
"improvements that can be due to nothing other than eating no wheat or other grains."
This is the Atkins diet, which will cause you to loose weight, which will make you feel better.
Why don't you go back to eating "other grains", but not wheat, and see what happens?


I could do that as an experiment, but it would be tough because it is hard to stay low-carb while eating grainy stuff.  Maybe someday I'll try that, but things are going so well now.

There are so many ways to have muffins/cookies/pancakes/pies/this/that that have no grains, I just want to see how far this goes.  Last night I made a batch of muffins and couple of trays of chocolate chip cookies.  Yummy.  All low carb.  Not a grain anywhere.

What the Doc discovered is that while wheat is especially bad, other grains are bad as well.  They are all crops that did not show up until about 10,000 years ago. It is no coincidence that shortly thereafter, human lifespan decreased for a while, diabetes/arthritis/heart disease/etc. became more and more prevalent.  

We are still not genetically adapted to grains.  Not only that, the way they adulterated wheat made things way worse.

I'm going to stay grain free for at least another few months and see what happens.
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Reply #354 - 11/21/11 at 04:07:42
 
Sorry Gyro- I don' know how this post was attributed to you. I got that weird error thingy when I posted it though.
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arteacher wrote on 11/21/11 at 04:07:42:
Sorry Gyro- I don' know how this post was attributed to you. I got that weird error thingy when I posted it though.



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Reply #356 - 11/21/11 at 04:53:23
 
Gyrobob wrote on 11/21/11 at 04:03:35:
arteacher wrote on 11/21/11 at 04:02:24:
"improvements that can be due to nothing other than eating no wheat or other grains."
This is the Atkins diet, which will cause you to loose weight, which will make you feel better.
Why don't you go back to eating "other grains", but not wheat, and see what happens?


I could do that as an experiment, but it would be tough because it is hard to stay low-carb while eating grainy stuff.  Maybe someday I'll try that, but things are going so well now.

There are so many ways to have muffins/cookies/pancakes/pies/this/that that have no grains, I just want to see how far this goes.  Last night I made a batch of muffins and couple of trays of chocolate chip cookies.  Yummy.  All low carb.  Not a grain anywhere.

What the Doc discovered is that while wheat is especially bad, other grains are bad as well.  They are all crops that did not show up until about 10,000 years ago. It is no coincidence that shortly thereafter, human lifespan decreased for a while, diabetes/arthritis/heart disease/etc. became more and more prevalent.  

We are still not genetically adapted to grains.  Not only that, the way they adulterated wheat made things way worse.

I'm going to stay grain free for at least another few months and see what happens.

C'mon Gyro- the glove is down. Put up or shut up. Wink
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Reply #357 - 11/21/11 at 05:08:48
 
Gyro if wheat really bothers you,You probably have a disorder of the smaller intestine,I would have that checked if I was you.
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bill67 wrote on 11/21/11 at 05:08:48:
Gyro if wheat really bothers you,You probably have a disorder of the smaller intestine,I would have that checked if I was you.


Billovich, you need to do a little more homework
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Reply #359 - 11/21/11 at 18:31:39
 
Gyro after reading a couple of your condescending remarks on the last two pages I think you need to STFU.
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