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Re: Sea Foam
Reply #60 - 10/01/11 at 14:29:58

Built2Last wrote on 10/01/11 at 13:15:02:

rl153 wrote on 10/01/11 at 13:09:02:

I put it in my oil, 3.5 oz, ran it a couple of days before the oil change, and in the gas tank 1 oz per gallon, every couple months, and the bike is running good.

see, works!

It just goes to show you how tough the LS650/S40 engine is. It'd probably run okay for a while with WD-40 for oil.

I had an Uncle who smoked a pack a day for his whole life. He was alive up until the day he died. Certainly doesn't prove that smoking is good.

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Reply #62 - 10/01/11 at 14:55:11

The theory with Seafoam, and other fuel treatments, is,.. that they will clean passages and pathways, resulting in a better running engine...
If this does work,.. it should be a gradual improvement over a few gallons of riding, not instantaneous...

Instantaneous, results, would imply that the engine is burning this product like an accelerant... not the implied function of Seafoam at all...
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Built2Last Serious Thumper Offline Tempt Fate Posts: 1447 FTF Gender:	Re: Sea Foam Reply #63 - 10/01/11 at 14:59:48 bill67 wrote on 10/01/11 at 14:55:02: He was alive til the day he died,That was some uncle you had there.
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Gyrobob Serious Thumper Offline Posers ain't motorcyclists Posts: 2571 Newnan, GA Gender:	Re: Sea Foam Reply #64 - 10/02/11 at 05:42:23 bill67 wrote on 10/01/11 at 14:55:02: He was alive til the day he died,That was some uncle you had there. Congrats for getting the point,... I think? sometimes it is hard to gauge how subtle one can be around here
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Re: Sea Foam
Reply #65 - 10/02/11 at 05:43:56

Serowbot wrote on 10/01/11 at 14:55:11:

The theory with Seafoam, and other fuel treatments, is,.. that they will clean passages and pathways, resulting in a better running engine...
If this does work,.. it should be a gradual improvement over a few gallons of riding, not instantaneous...

Instantaneous, results, would imply that the engine is burning this product like an accelerant... not the implied function of Seafoam at all...
????.... Huh

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Multiple dittos. Sorta suggests a little "mechanical" Hawthorne effect, eh?

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Re: Sea Foam
Reply #66 - 10/02/11 at 05:51:13

Gyrobob wrote on 10/02/11 at 05:43:56:

Serowbot wrote on 10/01/11 at 14:55:11:

The theory with Seafoam, and other fuel treatments, is,.. that they will clean passages and pathways, resulting in a better running engine...
If this does work,.. it should be a gradual improvement over a few gallons of riding, not instantaneous...

Instantaneous, results, would imply that the engine is burning this product like an accelerant... not the implied function of Seafoam at all...
????.... Huh

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Multiple dittos. Sorta suggests a little "mechanical" Hawthorne effect, eh?

I would call that wishful thinking.

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Gyrobob Serious Thumper Offline Posers ain't motorcyclists Posts: 2571 Newnan, GA Gender:	Re: Sea Foam Reply #67 - 10/02/11 at 06:01:22 [quote author=505B5E5E0405320 link=1317214081/60#66 date=1317559873]Gyrobob wrote on 10/02/11 at 05:43:56: Serowbot wrote on 10/01/11 at 14:55:11: Multiple dittos. Sorta suggests a little "mechanical" Hawthorne effect, eh? I would call that wishful thinking. How so?
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Re: Sea Foam
Reply #68 - 10/02/11 at 06:25:40

Serowbot wrote on 10/01/11 at 14:55:11:

Instantaneous, results, would imply that the engine is burning this product like an accelerant... not the implied function of Seafoam at all...
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To instantly clean metal you don't have to burn it necessarily... aren't some of those chemicals in Seafoam dis-solvents?

Now that I've heard the good idle (from Seafoam in the crankcase) I kinda want to put some more in.. but I'm afraid of long term damage or changing the grade of the lower temp oil...

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Reply #69 - 10/02/11 at 06:53:34

I would not make a habit of running seafoam in your oil. You put seafoam in both the gas and the crankcase, and now have a smoother idle. From that you concluded that it was the seafoam in the crankcase that did it? It was probably the seafoam in the fuel that dislodged a small bit of crud in your idle jet.

Or like Gyrobob said, just an effect of the thinner oil.

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Reply #70 - 10/02/11 at 07:02:00

Boule’tard wrote on 10/02/11 at 06:53:34:

I would not make a habit of running seafoam in your oil. You put seafoam in both the gas and the crankcase, and now have a smoother idle. From that you concluded that it was the seafoam in the crankcase that did it? It was probably the seafoam in the fuel that dislodged a small bit of crud in your idle jet.

No I've run Seafoam in the gas before, it didn't do much. When it was in the oil though it magically started purring, but I also added some to the gas just for the hell of it... so maybe it was a combo knock out?

I'm just playing around with Seafoam out of boredom really, I hope to one day have a garage where I can tear my engine down and clean it all by hand Cheesy

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Reply #71 - 10/02/11 at 07:12:25

I bet running 5w20 would do the same thing. If the seafoam really flushed out an oil passage (or cleaned or altered something in the engine to give you a better idle) then that benefit should remain after you change the oil and restore the viscosity back to normal. If the idle goes back to the way it was before, then you know the smoothing was just due to the oil being thinned out. Even if thin oil gives you a better idle, you don't want to be running the wrong viscosity over the long term.

Even in the short term, the smooth idle probably would come at the expense of more valve clatter once the engine is hot.

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Re: Sea Foam
Reply #74 - 10/02/11 at 10:30:08

Boule’tard wrote on 10/02/11 at 07:12:25:

I bet running 5w20 would do the same thing. If the seafoam really flushed out an oil passage (or cleaned or altered something in the engine to give you a better idle) then that benefit should remain after you change the oil and restore the viscosity back to normal. If the idle goes back to the way it was before, then you know the smoothing was just due to the oil being thinned out. Even if thin oil gives you a better idle, you don't want to be running the wrong viscosity over the long term.

Even in the short term, the smooth idle probably would come at the expense of more valve clatter once the engine is hot.

Serowbot wrote on 10/02/11 at 08:24:06:

Being that Seafoam's main ingredients are isoprophol alcohol, naptha, and mineral oil,... I think the alcohol would evaporate away in a couple of hours,... the naptha quickly, too...
This leaves the mineral oil.... thinning your oil...

Well stated, but it appears bill and built are not susceptible to any logic or factual info that contrasts with their feelings.

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