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mr.HUBA

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08/17/11 at 21:39:58

after cleaning out my carbs w/ seafoam then taking her apart for some berrrymans, that I bought after reading it was no good. . . aha
but the carb itself was not even dirty. . .
SO the leaking gas from carb vent tubes is due to my chump stock petcock.

Im about to by a Raptor one from Ron ayers, and I couldnt find the link for this
"NOTE... ( all Raptor 660 petcocks fit,... I included a specific model/year for internet ordering, and anal retentive counter salespeople...) (Raptor 350 petcocks won't fit)..."

or is that it? just all Raptor 660's will work for any year?
I own a 96' LS-650. and am about to order the petcock, need to be sure haha.

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Reply #2 - 08/17/11 at 22:15:35

mr.HUBA wrote on 08/17/11 at 21:39:58:

SO the leaking gas from carb vent tubes is due to my chump stock petcock.

Don't delude yourself, your "chump stock petcock" is only a master shut off switch. It doesn't control the gas level in your carb during operation. That is controlled by the float valve. You are getting bad advice.

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Reply #3 - 08/17/11 at 22:22:11

Versy,... if the diaphragm in the petcock is torn and leaking... gas flows down the vacuum line, into everywhere.... from above the floats...
Flooding occurs without the float system having any problem... Float system can be working perfectly...
The gas enters in the vac line, instead of down the fuel line, and flows all through the carb, air box, intake manifold, and down into the crankcase...

He is not getting bad advice...

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Reply #4 - 08/17/11 at 22:27:04

Serowbot wrote on 08/17/11 at 22:22:11:

Versy,... if the diaphragm in the petcock is torn and leaking... gas flows down the vacuum line, into everywhere.... from above the floats...
Flooding occurs without the float system having any problem...

He is not getting bad advice...

S'bot, you really should know better. I'm sorry but you got it wrong.
A leaking diaphragm leaks into the vac line. the vac line connects to the intake manifold. not the carb bowl. He states that gas is leaking from his vent tubes. And where are they connected? the carb bowl. use your head.

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Reply #5 - 08/17/11 at 22:30:48

Gravity,... the floats block entry into the bowl from the fuel line,... not out of the bowl to the engine or the carb vents......

I do know better... from experience...

I think, once you understand this,... you may become a Raptor convert....

Reverse the flow in your mind.... pour gas into the intake manifold, and it goes everywhere... down the jets, instead of up them, by gravity instead of vacuum... except up the fuel line, which is blocked by the float needle...
The bowl is not sealed from output by the float needle... it is sealed from the input of the fuel line...

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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28663 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Raptor Time indeed. . . QUESTION<<<<< Reply #7 - 08/17/11 at 22:42:19 JOG,.... you're a huge help... ...
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Reply #9 - 08/17/11 at 22:50:04

HAHAHA that thumb wrestling thing is incredibly unnecessary but neat.

and oh maaaan, well Ima get the petcock and try it out, cause my bike only stays on when riding in PRIME.

and I also just did remove my carbs and clean them. but what is the float??? this was my first carb removal and glad to say the bike was still operating upon assembly and I was not a screw extra aha.

Is the float that black plastic tube thing that goes up and down controlled by the spring?

or is it that passage that is opened up when the throttle pully is activated?

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Reply #11 - 08/17/11 at 22:57:39

Hubba, Hubba.... that black plastic thing is the needle slide... it gets pulled up and down by engine vacuum.
The floats are at the bottom, in the float boat bowl... they push a stopper into the fuel line entry point, to stop the gas from just pouring out of your tank...
Problem is,... when your vac petcock starts leaking,.. the gas flows down that second line (the vacuum line) which isn't blocked by the float system... and gas goes everywhere...

Raptor will fix your problem... Promise... Wink

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Reply #12 - 08/17/11 at 23:05:29

yes I JOG? Huh

hahaha

well, alright. this raptor order is going to be confirmed tonight and hopefully shipped out tomorrow.

Im excited. I wanna be able to ride in the night time again not fearing bad performance!
(my night rides can get pretty late around here)

dam, SO this raptor comes assembled or do I gotta put it together myself?

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Reply #13 - 08/17/11 at 23:07:04

Versy,... if you don't believe me,... pour gas down your vacuum line, and just see where it goes...
Just be sure to change your oil afterwards... Huh

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Hubba,... unhook fuel line, put the end in a fuel can, set pet to prime, drain gas... when empty, unbolt two bolts holding pet, and remove... install Raptor (same two bolts)... hook fuel line to it... and block that vac tap on the right side of the carb...
Then,..... ride...

Oh, yeah... turn the Raptor to on... then ride... Grin

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Great technology that needs periodic rebuild Aggravating thing that needs replacement Not a potential cause of other issues Is a potential cause of other issues I will keep mine forever (rebuilds as needed) When mine craps out I'll go Raptor =========== I haven't had to deal with it yet -- no opinion « Last Modified by: Oldfeller--FSO on: 08/18/11 at 10:16:24 »