You can lean till the pegs scrape, after that you've on your own.  

Ok so given a normal asphalt road, I can take a relatively sharp turn at whatever speed I can handle, and as long as the pegs don't scrape, I wont have to worry about the bottom sliding out on me?

"reference materials" - come on

The Savage is a cruiser and you can't lean it as much as a sportbike without grinding down the cap nut under the right peg.   I looked around to replace it (without checking a dealership) but these gigantic cap nuts are not easy to find.  I wouldn't care except now I'm grinding the stud too.

It makes the pegs look ratty which is OK - easy to find.

Thanks bhog, that's usually my initial approach to most things like this.

And no worries...was good advice.  Thx

-dv

Interesting point of view.  My interests are in no way related to scraping anything on my 650; it would seem careless to intentionally mess up such a nice bike.

I live in Colorado and HWY 34 goes from Loveland to Estes Park.  Its really quiet an astonishing road, with lots of fun turns to navigate through the Rocky Mountain canyon road.  I just worry that if I apply too much pressure to the grip surface (part of tire in contact with road during turn) and as I said before, assuming normal...clean, asphalt highway every town USA roads... I would like someone to offer up some experiential knowledge of their experiences navigating turns and at what speeds and angles. What cant I do, so i know how far (speed approaching a given arc) I cant take it, not to see how low i can actually go, but how fast I can take a turn without losing grip.

DVnewrider wrote on 06/01/11 at 20:00:43:

Interesting point of view.  My interests are in no way related to scraping anything on my 650; it would seem careless to intentionally mess up such a nice bike.

I live in Colorado and HWY 34 goes from Loveland to Estes Park.  Its really quiet an astonishing road, with lots of fun turns to navigate through the Rocky Mountain canyon road.  I just worry that if I apply too much pressure to the grip surface (part of tire in contact with road during turn) and as I said before, assuming normal...clean, asphalt highway every town USA roads... I would like someone to offer up some experiential knowledge of their experiences navigating turns and at what speeds and angles. c

It's just physics and geometry.  With decent tires and clean pavement, you have enough friction to lean a stock Savage as far as you want at any speed you want,.... up until you lean so far over that sparks start flying.  That's the limit.

It's not a very great limit.  The Savage was not designed to be GSXR type crotch-rocket canyon-scratcher.  It is a cruiser.  The designers figured you'd just go boppin' down the boulevard keeping pretty much vertical.  Tilt it over more than several degrees and things get ground down.  

You can not, as you said, "apply too much pressure to the grip surface" and cause the tire to slide.  Not on a Savage, anyway.

Speeds don't matter.  It takes the same amount of lateral acceleration to maintain a given lean angle at 5 mph as it does at 50 mph.

You stated, "I would like someone to offer up some experiential knowledge of their experiences navigating turns and at what speeds and angles. What cant I do, so i know how far (speed approaching a given arc) I cant take it, not to see how low i can actually go, but how fast I can take a turn without losing grip."  There aren't any speeds to tell about for given arcs.  You can't lose grip on a Savage by leaning over too far,... unless, of course, you start dragging things.

You can learn a lot by finding some large area of unoccupied pavement, and find out what it is like to lean it over at various speeds until you hit the limit,.. sparks.  Try various speeds to see what the sensations are like when you hit that limit.  It'll feel different at 20mph compared to 60mph, and the turn radii will differ, but the lean angles will be the same.

Happy scraping!!

Maybe AL will get some videos of some scraping on the Dragon later this month!