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Low Compression -- Thoughts?
05/18/11 at 15:09:22

I've been getting pretty bad gas mileage on my bike (~35mpg) recently, so I did a compression test and consistently got around 90psi Undecided

. As far as I know, the compression should be around 140-200psi.

The bike is a 2002 with just under 19k miles on it, for what it is worth and it does go through a bit of oil (though not too much). valves were adjusted 3k miles ago.

Any thoughts on what I might be causing this? bad gaskets? worn rings?

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EJID Serious Thumper Offline Work to ride and ride to work. Posts: 1536 Pocatello, ID Gender:	Re: Low Compression -- Thoughts? Reply #1 - 05/18/11 at 15:27:37 Could be the "wicked wrist" syndrome mine suffers at times too Sorry, I can't help you with anything more than that.
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28886 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Low Compression -- Thoughts? Reply #2 - 05/18/11 at 15:34:26 Your excessive mpg may be washing down the cylinder walls causing excessive wear. time for new rings.
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rustysavage YaBB Newbies Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 25 Nova Scotia, Canada Gender:	Re: Low Compression -- Thoughts? Reply #3 - 05/18/11 at 15:37:57 Add a teaspoon of 10w oil to the cylinder, do a compression test. If the compression go up problem is with your piston, rings and or cylinder. If it stays the same problem with your valves. Decompression valve staying on?
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spacepirates Serious Thumper Offline Igni Ferroque Posts: 515 Pittsburgh, PA Gender:	Re: Low Compression -- Thoughts? Reply #4 - 05/18/11 at 16:44:56 EJID wrote on 05/18/11 at 15:27:37: Could be the "wicked wrist" syndrome mine suffers at times too Sorry, I can't help you with anything more than that. yeah... i don't exactly ride easy, but it can't be THAT bad...
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Re: Low Compression -- Thoughts?
Reply #5 - 05/18/11 at 16:46:12

rustysavage wrote on 05/18/11 at 15:37:57:

Add a teaspoon of 10w oil to the cylinder, do a compression test. If the compression go up problem is with your piston, rings and or cylinder. If it stays the same problem with your valves. Decompression valve staying on?

If this is to be believed, then it is the valves.

Put a teaspoon of oil in the cylinder, compression test came back with the same 90psi. I'll double check that the valves are adjusted properly and see what i find....

I'm not sure I follow what you mean when you say decompression valve is staying on (decomp solenoid?). care to explain a bit more?

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Reply #6 - 05/18/11 at 17:10:58

the selenoid activates the cable that pulls on the lever which manually opens one exhaust valve on start up. If its not adjusted properly you can possibly be riding around with one exhaust valve open constantly. Bad news bears right there. You also have about the same mileage I had last spring when i took the head in for valve work. Valves were pitted and not seating fully allowing compression to be released. Im geussing this condition actually happens in the first few thousand miles when original owners general either - keep stock everything including stock lean jetting or - change mufflers without rejetting making the stock lean condition worse, and then it just gets worse from there once its started happening.

Ive been in school for diesel tech this past year, and wish id known last spring what i know now. If i can borrow some tools from my instructor I can fix it for cheaper than your probably going to find elsewhere. If nothing else I can help you take it apart and see whats what. Sounds to me though like you need new valves (exhaust probably). Unfortunately our valve faces cant be cut. Clymers insists that if you replace valves you also replace the guides. Could go either way IMO. Need to do some measuring to be certain. Id get valve stem seals as long as you/we're going in anyway. My numbers still the same, give me a call.

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Reply #7 - 05/18/11 at 17:38:24

spacepirates wrote on 05/18/11 at 16:46:12:

rustysavage wrote on 05/18/11 at 15:37:57:

Add a teaspoon of 10w oil to the cylinder, do a compression test. If the compression go up problem is with your piston, rings and or cylinder. If it stays the same problem with your valves. Decompression valve staying on?

If this is to be believed, then it is the valves.

Put a teaspoon of oil in the cylinder, compression test came back with the same 90psi. I'll double check that the valves are adjusted properly and see what i find....

I'm not sure I follow what you mean when you say decompression valve is staying on (decomp solenoid?). care to explain a bit more?

Also...did you turn the engine over by hand a few times before you did the second compression test? If not go ahead and try it again.

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Reply #8 - 05/18/11 at 18:38:57

BurnPgh wrote on 05/18/11 at 17:38:24:

Also...did you turn the engine over by hand a few times before you did the second compression test? If not go ahead and try it again.

Re-checked compression after doing this, same result. Checked valves, they are adjusted properly.

Looks like Burn and I are going to tear into this issue this weekend and see whats what. At a very minimum good times and beer will be had.

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Reply #9 - 05/22/11 at 17:04:02

verdict is - head gasket believe it or not.. Burned, discolored and pitted at the front lower head bolt. A little oil seepage there which we at first assumed was part of the head plug leak as the two leaks converged. Took it apart expecting valve issues but the chamber held water perfectly. Checked ring end gap in the cylinder at multiple positions with the worst measurement being .45mm, still well below the factory limit of 1mm. Didnt even really look at the head gasket at first. Just removed it and set it aside as the forum as a whole generally scoffs any time a newbie comes in claming a shop replaced a head gasket instead of a fixing a plug leak. Well...rest assured, these head gaskets do fail. And yes all the head bolts were torqued. New head gasket will be ordered, head/cylinder deck will be checked for warpage.

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Reply #10 - 05/23/11 at 07:43:07

Ordered the gaskets today from a local cycle shop (they are all closed on Sundays so I had to wait till today). should be in by Friday, I hope.

around $50 for cylinder head and base gaskets. Feels kinda steep given what they are, but at this point i just want a bike that runs.

Of course, working with BurnPGH, he has me thinking about all sorts of performance mods and what not. "Oh, well for only XX hundred dollars and XX time spent on your bike you could REALLY have a bike that goes". Carb... Cam... Piston...

hmm... winter project perhaps?

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