ncron1103 wrote on 07/04/11 at 11:31:59:lol just one more stupid question (little sleep drank beer last night till got tired of working on it) do you really think the timing chain stretched? its only got a little under 20k miles on it
The evidence is clear, the chain is either stretched or guides are worn.
You can measure the chain, and visually inspect the guides.
from experience, yes it is, and yes they are.
replacing the chain will get you halfway back by itself.
replacing the guides will get you a quarter back.