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Re: Replacing main and counter shaft?
Reply #15 - 02/25/11 at 11:54:13

With the tire on the ground and belt installed, you holding the nut (I suppose)... ground preventing tire movement, belt movement and pulley movement. Not being able to move anything = no noise.

With the tire on the ground and belt installed, ground preventing tire movement, belt movement and pulley movement. You now move the nut and get noise. So, problem is between the nut and pulley, i.e., bad splines.

Remove nut, check splines.

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Jahoo Full Member Offline Posts: 113 Annapolis,MD Gender:	Re: Replacing main and counter shaft? Reply #16 - 02/25/11 at 12:27:53 So when bike is in nuetral i can move the nut but when i put it into gear i can't.
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Jahoo Full Member Offline Posts: 113 Annapolis,MD Gender:	Re: Replacing main and counter shaft? Reply #17 - 02/25/11 at 12:28:59 Or i should say i can take the nut off now tha it's in gear insted of it just spinning and making that clicking noise.
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Re: Replacing main and counter shaft?
Reply #18 - 02/25/11 at 12:36:04

Jahoo wrote on 02/25/11 at 11:29:48:

Ok so my engine is still on the bike and everything is still connected so the bikes back tire is still on the ground.now I removed the front sprocket cover and couldn't move the pulley while holding the nut, now when i did move the nut it made a sound like clicking as it turned. Should i take off the belt then try to move the pulley?

I think it's probably rather hard to turn the nut and the shaft it's attached to, because you would also be trying to turn the gears in the transmission. If the pulley splines are worn it would be easier to hold the nut still and try to turn the pulley. That means the belt would need to be able to move. I think there are two ways to accomplish that. The easiest is to hold onto the nut while someone rolls the bike back and forth a little. The other would be to jack up the rear wheel, loosen the axle and adjusters, then slide the wheel forward enough so the belt is loose on the pulley. You would be able to wiggle the pulley forward and back -- if the splines are the problem.

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Jahoo Full Member Offline Posts: 113 Annapolis,MD Gender:	Re: Replacing main and counter shaft? Reply #19 - 02/25/11 at 13:08:07 pulled pulley off, and the teeth that line up to the shaft are worn down, i am gonna snap some photos and upload them but that's gonna be part number one to replace. Now how do i get this shaft out to check the splines and everything else? do i have to take the engiune off of the frame like the clymer says?
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28884 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Replacing main and counter shaft? Reply #20 - 02/25/11 at 13:27:24 To take the shaft out, I think you'll have to split the case. Most often it's just the pulley. I'd leave the shaft where it be.
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MotoBuddha Serious Thumper Offline Let's roll! Posts: 1416 Charlotte, NC	Re: Replacing main and counter shaft? Reply #21 - 02/25/11 at 14:46:51 Yeah, if the pulley is bad, then there's not much chance the output shaft is a problem. Like I wrote before, the pulley is aluminum and the shaft is steel, so the pulley will go bad and get totally stripped before anything happens to the shaft.
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Re: Replacing main and counter shaft?
Reply #22 - 02/25/11 at 15:03:59

I'm having the same problem with that nut...
It keeps coming just a fraction loose, and making a noise that sounds like a loose chain, on decel...
I've tightened it up with a 250lb impact driver, and it still loosens.
Gonna' buy a new toothed washer and crank it down again,... maybe with lock-tite...
Shows no wear on the pulley or the shaft,... I suspect wear on the teeth of the washer....
Whatabooger!... Huh

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Jahoo Full Member Offline Posts: 113 Annapolis,MD Gender:	Re: Replacing main and counter shaft? Reply #23 - 02/25/11 at 19:22:43 do you think i should replace the pulley first then try and see what happens before i go all crazy and pull the engine apart. and my next question who has a good pulley i can buy?
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MotoBuddha Serious Thumper Offline Let's roll! Posts: 1416 Charlotte, NC	Re: Replacing main and counter shaft? Reply #24 - 02/25/11 at 19:38:25 A basic rule of repairs when you're not sure exactly what's the problem: try the simple, less expensive things first. Opening the crankcase should be the last thing you try.
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Jahoo Full Member Offline Posts: 113 Annapolis,MD Gender:	Re: Replacing main and counter shaft? Reply #25 - 02/28/11 at 12:01:34 ok now that the pulley is off when i move the shaft no clicking....i'm heading down to get the new pulley i just bought and since it's a bike shop i'm hoping they might have a gasket cutter. Now to just find a carb cleaning thread and i'll be set.
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28884 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Replacing main and counter shaft? Reply #26 - 02/28/11 at 20:11:32 seek and yee shall find... http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=tech;action=display;num=1191899985
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Jahoo Full Member Offline Posts: 113 Annapolis,MD Gender:	Re: Replacing main and counter shaft? Reply #27 - 03/15/11 at 14:33:28 Guys front pulley is on. Bike is now running and...(drum roll please)...Driving. Yes My savage is mobile. Thank you all for all the help.
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