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youzguyz Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 2538 San Antonio, Texas Gender:	Re: no sparky Reply #15 - 11/18/10 at 10:54:30 I thought is was turning over?? motor spinning, whatever. If that does NOT happen then you don't get a spark, no matter WHAT. Motor has to spin for magneto to send a signal to the CDI to create a spark. So, your problem isn't "no sparky". It is "no spinny". right? So confused..
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Re: no sparky
Reply #16 - 11/18/10 at 11:52:54

Well that's what I'm guessing. I know the engine turns because I've turned the flywheel over and can feel the piston pumping in there. I would think that I should have been able to pop start it because of that but was never able to.
The PO had stated that they took the stator cover off and maybe did something "in there". That's the only clue I have that the magneto may be at fault here...
I pulled that cover off a couple weeks ago and all the connections looked good so I put it back together.

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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28886 L.A. California Gender:	Re: no sparky Reply #17 - 11/18/10 at 12:48:12 There you go, found the problem of 'no spinney' There's a couple of washers on the starter idle gears. People usually put them in the wrong spots when they put it back together. I think they go on the spur gear. check the manual.
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Bubba Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 956 Denver, CO Gender:	Re: no sparky Reply #18 - 11/18/10 at 12:53:13 I'll give that a shot... I still plan to pull the starter out and try to get it spinning just to be sure. If it spins then I'll have to wait until after t-day when we visit my folks in Springfield, MO to try an crack it open and check the starter gears. Thanks for the suggestions!
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Bubba Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 956 Denver, CO Gender:	Re: no sparky Reply #19 - 11/18/10 at 19:58:23 Just finished pulling the starter out...battery neg ground to frame, pos directly to the starter...nada, nothing zilch not even any sparks shooting off or anything. Does anyone have a spare lying around they want to sell?
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Bubba Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 956 Denver, CO Gender:	Re: no sparky Reply #20 - 11/19/10 at 15:28:56 my bad...starter works fine (didn't have it grounded properly ), after Thanksgiving I'll pull the stator cover and see if the starter gears are screwy
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fsmidt YaBB Newbies Offline nulli cedo Posts: 45 wierum,the netherlands Gender:	Re: no sparky Reply #21 - 12/28/10 at 16:12:42 any progress?
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Re: no sparky
Reply #22 - 12/29/10 at 07:07:02

It depends on what you call progress... Wink

Anyway, as far as the spark goes I'm hoping things pan out when I have the engine back in. Two of the head cover bolts were stripped when I bought it. I thought I'd try to get something working without removing the head but it just was becoming a pain so I took the head off and purchased a 6mm helicoil set. I still need to install the helicoils....maybe tonight.

Once it's buttoned back up and installed back in the frame I'll work on sparky again. As stated above, the washers on the spur gear are most likely why it wasn't spinning up.
The outer washer for the spur gear looks as if it was put on the outside of the starter gear.
The spur gear has a kind of lip with teeth on the outside edge. I'm suspecting that that may have been binding against the side cover but that is just a guess... Huh

BTW, I've been thinking that I might get a gasket kit for this thing since I now have it all apart. I'd like some opinions as to whether it would be necessary. I really just want to get it running and sell it but don't want it leaking oil again.
The existing gaskets seem fine.
ALSO, I have permatex red sealer...would that work on the head cover???
thx

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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28886 L.A. California Gender:	Re: no sparky Reply #23 - 12/29/10 at 09:02:07 http://www.permatex.com/documents/GasketMakerSelector.pdf That's what I'm going with this time. But key is to follow instructions. apply a bead, put the cover in place, install the bolts to finger tight only, let it take a set, then torque down. This makes sure you don't squeeze it all out before you torque it down.
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Bubba Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 956 Denver, CO Gender:	Re: no sparky Reply #24 - 12/29/10 at 09:55:42 Thanks Vers! what about reusing the existing gaskets on the side covers and head?
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28886 L.A. California Gender:	Re: no sparky Reply #25 - 12/29/10 at 17:45:45 Reusing gaskets is possible, but ask yourself do you want to tear it down to replace it. Side covers, no problem, reuse, I do all the time. Cylinder base, no way!
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Bubba Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 956 Denver, CO Gender:	Re: no sparky Reply #26 - 12/30/10 at 06:29:26 Thanks again. The head is already off but the gasket looks fine. The cylinder base hasn't been touched. I figure after it gets torqued down the head gasket will be plenty tight...am I wrong? I know clymers says to discard it but it's not cheap!
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: no sparky Reply #27 - 12/30/10 at 08:03:07 Ditch it. New head gaskets, only. I cant think of an engine that will allow reusing a head gasket.
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28886 L.A. California Gender:	Re: no sparky Reply #28 - 12/30/10 at 08:34:53 justin_o_guy2 wrote on 12/30/10 at 08:03:07: Ditch it. New head gaskets, only. I cant think of an engine that will allow reusing a head gasket. +1 Absolutely, didn't even think to mention it.
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Bubba Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 956 Denver, CO Gender:	Re: no sparky Reply #29 - 12/30/10 at 08:44:55 Okay guys, I'll replace it. I googled it and it pretty much sounds as if replacing is a must! Thx
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