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Reply #15 - 11/04/10 at 16:53:59
 
When you jump from car to car you have to let it run a couple minutes, usually before you try to start the one that want start
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Reply #16 - 11/06/10 at 10:42:46
 
Yup. Or just let the car idle. 14V is 14V.
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Reply #17 - 11/14/10 at 21:25:52
 
dasch wrote on 11/06/10 at 10:42:46:
Yup. Or just let the car idle. 14V is 14V.



FWIW....

I don't think that is good practice.  Too much could go wrong, potentially frying your bike's electrical system.

I'm just sayin'.
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Reply #18 - 11/14/10 at 21:57:23
 
In general, not a good practice, even car to car.  I've seen it happen several times where weeks later the donor needed a new battery too.

But, we all need a jump from time to time.  leave your key off so most of your electrics are isolated.  Don't fiddle with the cables, sparking bad mmmk.  Don't leave it connected more than 5 minutes to prevent overheating the battery.
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Reply #19 - 11/15/10 at 05:16:14
 
?? If there was anything to fry in the receiving vehicle's system - you would've fried it with the original battery. Or you will fry it with donor shut off. Makes no difference to the receiver whether donor is idling or not. If anybody can scientifically prove me wrong...
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Reply #20 - 11/17/10 at 20:27:30
 
dasch wrote on 11/15/10 at 05:16:14:
?? If there was anything to fry in the receiving vehicle's system - you would've fried it with the original battery. Or you will fry it with donor shut off. Makes no difference to the receiver whether donor is idling or not. If anybody can scientifically prove me wrong...



No science, but it seems obvious that, by having the cage idling during a jump, you are exposing your bike's vulnerable electrics to the whims of the cage's voltage regulator (possible voltage spikes and such).  How lucky do you feel?

This is not a problem, however, if the cage is not running.  Ain't no way a quiescent 12 volt battery is going to harm your bike during a jump, even if that battery is as big as a house.
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Reply #21 - 11/18/10 at 05:23:19
 
Vulnerable?  Shocked

Cars have even more computers and controllers than our LS. Much more. The question is - what kind of selective spikes and surges would hurt my bike's CDI and leave entire car's electronics intact??
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Reply #22 - 11/19/10 at 19:07:51
 
After a week, got back to Suzi only to note I never had reconnected the fuel lines...perhaps I should try again with them doing thier thing. Embarrassed Embarrassed  Put the jumpers on, with the car running i hit the starter and after cranking a bit with the pc on Prime, the bike started.   Yeah, let it idle a bit, then pushed in the  choke (enrichener).  Well, got a fair amount of smoke from around the header and then a drop of fresh oil fell on the left hand engine case.  Hmmm, turned off the car, disconnected the jumpers.  Next warmish day I'll try again and see if more oil is forthcomming.  Bikes' electroncis don't seem any worse the weare for the several jumpings.
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Reply #23 - 11/20/10 at 09:06:43
 
We happy if you happy.  Wink So you simply forgot to hook up the fuel, huh?
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Reply #24 - 11/21/10 at 16:44:17
 
Thank heavens there was no one to see my face.  we don't have any stop lights in town and it might have confused a passing driver. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #25 - 12/06/10 at 21:29:00
 
Digger wrote on 11/17/10 at 20:27:30:
dasch wrote on 11/15/10 at 05:16:14:
?? If there was anything to fry in the receiving vehicle's system - you would've fried it with the original battery. Or you will fry it with donor shut off. Makes no difference to the receiver whether donor is idling or not. If anybody can scientifically prove me wrong...



No science, but it seems obvious that, by having the cage idling during a jump, you are exposing your bike's vulnerable electrics to the whims of the cage's voltage regulator (possible voltage spikes and such).  How lucky do you feel?

This is not a problem, however, if the cage is not running.  Ain't no way a quiescent 12 volt battery is going to harm your bike during a jump, even if that battery is as big as a house.




dasch wrote on 11/18/10 at 05:23:19:
Vulnerable?  Shocked

Cars have even more computers and controllers than our LS. Much more. The question is - what kind of selective spikes and surges would hurt my bike's CDI and leave entire car's electronics intact??



Well.....case in point:

A few years ago, I was rat-racing through the Gulf area on my ST1100.  The battery was old, so I was not surprised that the bike would not start one hot day after a fill-up.

The only cage at the station was an old, beat up Ford pickup.....70's vintage.  I asked the old gentleman in the cab if he could give me a jump (I always carry a small set of jumper cables when I'm traveling on one of my bikes).

When he popped the hood, it was not a pretty sight.  I kindly asked the owner if he'd mind shutting off the engine while I jumped my bike.  The ST started right up, and I was not worried about the possibility of the Ford's voltage regulator being dodgy.

So, I see it this way:  If I take a jump from a running cage, there is perhaps a 1 in 10,000 possibility I'll have a problem.  If I take a jump from a non-running cage, there is a lesser chance that I'll have a problem.  The hassle factor of jumping from a non-running cage?  Zero.

Therefore, prudent risk analysis dictates that I jump my bikes from non-running cages.  There's just no reason NOT to, and there IS a reason (however small) to do it this way.
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Reply #26 - 12/07/10 at 06:02:42
 
I see your point... that old, old car was your only option. However, running car provides slightly more juice (amps). That's my only argument. And the way cars are built now, with computers and all - if there was ANY spikes - it wouldn't be running anyways  Cool

Anyhow, it worked.
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Reply #27 - 12/07/10 at 21:18:04
 
Therefore, prudent risk analysis dictates that I jump my bikes from non-running cages.  There's just no reason NOT to, and there IS a reason (however small) to do it this way.


I'd Love to see someone argue with that..

Anyone?
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Reply #28 - 12/07/10 at 23:56:11
 
Smiley You rascal...
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