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Charon Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 1811 Harvard, NE Gender:	Re: Oil temps and usage comparison Reply #60 - 09/06/10 at 10:58:10 You of course are referring to Verslagen's test. Where are the results from YOUR tests? Or haven't you run any?
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bill67 Serious Thumper Offline old tired Posts: 8517 genoa city wisconsin Gender:	Re: Oil temps and usage comparison Reply #61 - 09/06/10 at 11:04:09 I tried to explain to you guys the results of the test,I guess some of you guys just don't want to get it.
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28886 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Oil temps and usage comparison Reply #62 - 09/06/10 at 12:02:10 bill67 wrote on 09/06/10 at 11:04:09: I tried to explain to you guys the results of the test,I guess some of you guys just don't want to get it. so far you've only managed to quote the klotz website. Even the so-called 'biased' people can find independent results.
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bill67 Serious Thumper Offline old tired Posts: 8517 genoa city wisconsin Gender:	Re: Oil temps and usage comparison Reply #63 - 09/06/10 at 12:09:15 Vergs tell me about the Raptor 700 and the rotella results
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28886 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Oil temps and usage comparison Reply #64 - 09/06/10 at 12:53:00 bill67 wrote on 09/06/10 at 12:09:15: Vergs tell me about the Raptor 700 and the rotella results That's so lame quoting results I found.
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Re: Oil temps and usage comparison
Reply #65 - 09/06/10 at 13:00:56

Bill, how many years of your stated 39 years of Klotz use were done using Klotz in two stroke engines (snowmobiles and the like)?

These two stroke years really don't apply to Savage motorcycles as Klotz didn't even make a 4 stroke oil until the last few years.

Verslagen's tests are the first evaluations done by anyone other than Klotz that you even know about, aren't they?

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If you ever had some other source of real testing to quote, you'd have quoted them by now.

PS every time you accuse Verslagen falsely and then go shoot some bullshit of your own in the very next line it really decreases your credibility should you EVER find any form of real corroborative evidence about Klotz. Even Babyhog has chided on you for slamming folks statements as "falsified" when they are not.

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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28886 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Oil temps and usage comparison Reply #66 - 09/06/10 at 13:12:41 Oldfeller--FSO wrote on 09/06/10 at 13:00:56: PS every time you accuse Verslagen falsely and then go shoot some bullshit of your own in the very next line it really decreases your credibility should you EVER find any form of real corroborative evidence about Klotz. What credibility?
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Reply #67 - 09/06/10 at 13:30:28

bill67 wrote on 09/06/10 at 10:53:55:

Because Klotz has less friction,Crank, valves, and transmission are running cooler.

Let's look at this. The valves are in the head, and Verslagen says the head temperatures are higher with Klotz. I have some trouble believing the valves would be cooler if the head in which they are installed is hotter.

The crank and the transmission are bathed in the oil, and it would be quite difficult for them to be cooler than the oil in which they run. Besides, the crank and the transmission generate heat themselves, and are cooled by the oil. Verslagen's test shows the oil temperature is higher with Klotz.

Care to explain, bill67?

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Reply #68 - 09/06/10 at 13:33:16

verslagen1 wrote on 09/06/10 at 10:56:52:

verslagen1 wrote on 09/05/10 at 11:30:33:

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IF one does get hotter quicker, could we assume it would be able to cool more quickly?

That's what I would think, and the test could be run on stove top when the wife ain't looking. time to temp in a pan under full heat. then time to cool afterward. looks like i'm saving the old klotz and looking for a trash pan.

Have rethought this, will get some test tubes.
And I think the heat source should be small, a candle.

more thought... a light bulb instead of a candle. won't be dependent on airflow for the flame, test to run during identical ambient conditions.

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Reply #69 - 09/06/10 at 14:16:29

Having Bill to accept and digest real data is jest about like watching girls putting a fresh worm on a hook ....

it's fun to watch though, that there worm ain't the only wigglin' & jigglin' going on ....

Now, this here is a custom Bill rig all set up and ready to go implant some fresh real data into good 'ol wiggly Bill .....

..... that nasty sharp cold data hook point, can you feel it a splittin' through yer drawers yet Bill??
Must be, we can see ya hollering, wiggling & squirming to beat the band fer shure now ....

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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28886 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Oil temps and usage comparison Reply #70 - 09/06/10 at 14:44:00 Now old fellow, if your gonna go bill baitin' ya gotta have a license for that there pole and billy hook or you're gonna have to put it away. we must have decorum, please follow the marques de queenberry rules.
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Oldfeller--FSO Serious Thumper ModSquad Offline Hobby is now "concentrated neuropany" Posts: 12672 Fayetteville, NC Gender:	Re: Oil temps and usage comparison Reply #71 - 09/06/10 at 14:53:32 OK, I'll behave. We can shoot his nonsense full of holes or torch it with a flame thrower, but the big fishhook is against the Geneva Convention. Got it ....
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bill67 Serious Thumper Offline old tired Posts: 8517 genoa city wisconsin Gender:	Re: Oil temps and usage comparison Reply #72 - 09/06/10 at 14:56:20 bill67 wrote on 09/06/10 at 12:09:15: Vergs tell me about the Raptor 700 and the rotella results I'm waiting guys
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Reply #73 - 09/06/10 at 15:09:36

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/29/10 at 17:19:55:

verslagen1 wrote on 08/29/10 at 16:32:00:

According to klotz...

Flash Point: 480°F (same for all mx4's)

But according to an independant test...

Flash Point: 385°F (10w40)

and after 12 hours in a raptor 700...

Flash Point: 305°F (more than likely due to 3.5% fuel contamination)

And from Shell's Rotella MSDS...

Flash Point: 435°F

B4 or after the 12 hr run?

here it is guys tell me about rotella in the blue bottle on the 12 hr run

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Re: Oil temps and usage comparison
Reply #74 - 09/06/10 at 15:32:32

Tell you what, Bill?

If you got some T6 dirt you want to share with us, jest plop her on out on the table so we can all see it .... fair is fair.

Lots of folks in bikedom use the stuff, so if any dirt is out there -- go get it.

Jest have a reputable source that you can provide us the actual source location for so we can go read it ourselves.

Other than that, you is jest makin' noise, jest a screeching, wigglin' and hollerin' like a Palestinian child molester a doing the pole dance immediately after a real short Palestinian Muslim type trial ....

PS don't go a lookin', I found that video on line when I was a looking for the big hook that ain't kosher fer us to be talking about, much less the nasty long pole ...

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