Wonder if bill67 ever even checked the valves on his Japanese bikes? Because if he didn't check them, he had no way to know he didn't need to adjust them.

Yup, we can be wrong when we are guessing -- but you note that we always say bluntly when we are guessing so it is always clear.

(no confusion on what is real and what is not real from me or Verslagen -- plus we correct our goofs and are quick to 'fess up when we make one)

So Charon when you do your valves record the sound and keep that in your Data Files.

Charon wrote on 09/09/10 at 11:38:44:

Personal attacks you have to be kidding,I geared my GR650 1000 rpm lower than stock,I like 100 per cent gasoline,I use and have very good results with Sea Foam and Klotz engine oil and fork oil,And you say there all wrong How old are you Charon.

Bill, he clarified the change amounts and the adder amounts to make it clearer to the reader -- it was me and Justin that got the numbers wrong from our original first reading on how he wrote it out.

I 'fessed my interpretation mistake and went back and corrected all my posts -- as of right now all conclusions are Same-Same.




However ....

Let me guess the future -- Verslagen, in your last post are you us getting ready to tell us you used relatively more Klotz per mile than Same - Same with RotSyn T6?

(he'd just about have to since he had six quarts-- two to change out and remaining 4 quarts are getting used up inside of 3 months)

Fair warning to all NEWBIES  ---- listening to Bullshooter Bill is DANGEROUS TO YOUR BIKE.


Bill <I go by sound on the valves, So your right I never check the valves but I'm sure they were there.Any motorcycle mechanic can tell by sound if the valves need adjusting> Bill

Bill's statement that "Any motorcycle mechanic can tell by sound if the valves need adjusting" is just plain false.

Any mechanic would tell you -- you can only spot an enlarged adjustment gap because of the extra clatter it makes.   Loose valves make extra noise, they but they don't kill engines.   It's tight valves that kill engines, and they make no tell tale audible signs that they are happening ....    

Plus, it is not uncommon for intake valves to go one way and exhaust valves to go the other way, with the noise from one covering the relative lack of noise from the other.

Yup, tight valves make no tell-tale noise to tell you the gap has gone under the recommended clearance amount and your valves are in danger of hanging open, overheating and eroding and burning seats, etc. when everything gets nice and hot when you are running at full interstate speeds.

A real mechanic takes the valve covers off when the engine is bone stone cold, sets the bike to top dead center on the compression stroke and uses feeler gauges to decide if valves are set correctly or not.

verslagen1 wrote on 09/09/10 at 12:21:07:

Now the oil use went from twice as much to the same,Now its 25% more for the Klotz oil,Do you really think any one here believes you and that you were going to let your old faithful diesel oil lose,Yes the oil that already screw up your motor.