Bill seems to be a fan of the straw man argument style.

Throw me down for a No for Klotz vote.

Not worth the extra $$$  for sure when Rotsysn works slightly better and is substantially cheaper.

Oldfeller--FSO wrote on 09/08/10 at 02:36:41:


OF. I have not commented here, but I appreciate Versy for taking the time, effort, expense of doing the test.  I use the dino rotella.  There seems agreement it is good for us laid back types. I would be interested in comparison to that.  

So thanks versy!

Preachermike,

White jug Rotella T dino 15w40 was the "oil of preference" for both the crotch rocket boys and the Goldwing guys for a lot of years until the blue jug stuff became available.   They still debate whether blue jug Rotsyn is really needed in their engines or not, so it is likely about the same situation that we have.  White jug Rotella T dino 15w40 is plenty good enough for a normal stock Savage engine and the use of synthetic oils is an optional preference for those who think they need it.

Does Verslagen or I truly really need to pay more to use a full synthetic oil in our Savages?

No, the Savage doesn't REQUIRE it -- but I have a personal quirk about only using synthetic oil in all my vehicles since I cooked me a crankcase of dino oil in a car and wound up scrapping the car because of the oil failure -- it ain't gonna happen to me again.

Side bar to that same thought flow -- there is a big issue going around inside Toyota car land about dino oils sludging up their engines -- Toyota has been sued saying this is a issue with their engines running hot and Toyota has a program to replace engines that sludge to failure within 150,000 miles or some such as a warranty issue.

In my opinion, Toyota should simply require the use of synthetic oils in their cars.   Corvette does require it, as do several other very high performance engine car makers.  If you know that is a requirement going in when you buy the car it would be a non-issue from that point forward.

the thought of pouring dino oil into a Lexus to build sludge up inside that precision engine just seems wrong to me


       


PS  if that was the final vote and Bill has done lost this here oil war then it is time for his sentencing.

As the plaintiff, I request from the court that Bill be forced to GO CHECK HIS VALVES and then be forced TO TELL US TRUTHFULLY how far out of spec they were found to be before he adjusted them.  

At 5,000 plus miles, it is time his valves got some preventive maintenance done to them.   And the telling the truth part about the current clatter gaps will hurt Bill plenty enough, believe me.

Dream on Bill, dream on .... may reality never touch you with its clammy cold hands.  

Flat tappet screw & nut valve adjustment engines require periodic adjustment no matter what sort of oil you use.   If nothing else, the tulip heads pound their way into the valve seats over time, an impact type action which has nothing really to do with oil, period.

Of course at your present rate of mileage build up use it will take you a long time to ignore it to the eventual point where you sell off the bike "because it is acting odd" which is what you freely admit that you do with motorcycles.

                     


OK, we fall back to the second punishment.  

UNTIL YOU HAVE CHECKED YOUR VALVES AND REPORTED THE TRUTH ABOUT THE CURRENT LASH AMOUNTS FOUND BEFORE YOU ADJUSTED THEM, UNTIL THEN YOU ARE FORBIDDEN TO TOUT KLOTZ TO NEWBIES BY STATING UNSUBSTANTIATED OPINIONS AS FACT.

Bill forgot to mention that Klotz contains a percentage of Adamantium
That when used in his Savage provides a indestructible coating over all metal parts thus negating ANY and ALL regular scheduled maintenance.

With Klotz all regular properties of metal and physics are null and void.

I've never had a bike that used over a cup of oil in 5000 miles,and yes one had over 28000 mile,But I use motorcycle oil not cheap oil.No valves adjusted either.In the long run its best to use the best oil you can afford or you'll have a beater like Vergs.

I adjusted them on my V50 Moto Guzzi at 12000 miles Never had to on a Jap bike.

Let's see, V50 Guzzi's were made between 1977 and 1985 -- for the sake of argument let's go with the most modern one, 1985 vintage.

You only put 2,000 miles a year on a bike up where you live and you tend to buy new bikes and then you tend to run them until they act funny, so ....

You owned it for like over six years and only adjusted the valves ONCE during the whole time you owned it?

And the only time you adjusted a valve, ever, was at least, what ???  19-20 years ago?       I guessed wrong, it was 29 years ago




Now Bill, he's a testing out your claims of Klotz's magic healing powers  --    after 6 full quarts we'll have to disallow all of your claims for the magic properties part too .....