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Reply #30 - 11/04/12 at 06:33:43

Rhyno, double check the fuses in the fuse holder under the seat. If I'm reading the schematic correctly, one of those fuses supplys +12v to the timers in the decompression controler. If the timers aren't getting power from there, AND from the starter switch, I don't think the starter relay will work correctly. It won't stay closed long enough to spin the starter.

May not be your problem but it's a simple check.

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Reply #31 - 11/08/12 at 14:39:21

oldNslow wrote on 11/04/12 at 06:33:43:

Rhyno, double check the fuses in the fuse holder under the seat. If I'm reading the schematic correctly, one of those fuses supplys +12v to the timers in the decompression controler. If the timers aren't getting power from there, AND from the starter switch, I don't think the starter relay will work correctly. It won't stay closed long enough to spin the starter.

May not be your problem but it's a simple check.

ok i check those they good, i get 12 volts across both thanks, it helps all part of the process.

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Reply #32 - 11/08/12 at 14:58:22

verslagen1 wrote on 11/03/12 at 13:25:37:

looking like either a bad decomp controller or a bad relay.

you'll need a volt meter, check the relay voltage.
one of the big wires will have it all the time.
one of the small wires will have it when you push the start button.

ok Vers what are you talking about the Starter selonoid is that the relay you are talking about ? If so i checked voltage of the positive lead, the big one and i get 13.6 Volts with the key in off position. with the key in the on position it comes out to 12.7 . as for the small leads on it i checked the yellow lead and i get 10.7v when i hit the start switch

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Reply #33 - 11/08/12 at 15:09:54

ok I was reading in the clymer manual. doing some other troubleshooting on the side of the neutral light not coming on. Sorry thurs is my day off so i tinker. i hooked a positive wire to the connecter for the guages and recived a neutral light. but with all connected properly no light, so i checked the neutral switch incased in the right side motor cover per clymer. it states ,to disconnect the single blue wire and touch it with positve lead of meter and then connect the neg lead to ground, so i did and i recieved a reading of 2.2 ohms so no continuity which means that it is bad so i have another part to replace lol

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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Online Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28886 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Starting issues Reply #34 - 11/08/12 at 15:32:57 2.2 ohms is very low resistance, I would consider it good maybe just dirty contact or bad batteries in your meter. what's your meter read by itself?
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Re: Starting issues
Reply #35 - 11/08/12 at 15:35:40

Rhyno wrote on 11/08/12 at 14:58:22:

ok Vers what are you talking about the Starter selonoid is that the relay you are talking about ? If so i checked voltage of the positive lead, the big one and i get 13.6 Volts with the key in off position. with the key in the on position it comes out to 12.7 . as for the small leads on it i checked the yellow lead and i get 10.7v when i hit the start switch

looks good to me.

when you hit the starter button, what was the reading on the big wire of the relay?

give the relay a smack with a plastic handle of the screwdriver, may be stuck.

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Rhyno YaBB Newbies Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 25 Greenwood, IN Gender:	Re: Starting issues Reply #36 - 11/09/12 at 17:12:10 verslagen1 wrote on 11/08/12 at 15:32:57: 2.2 ohms is very low resistance, I would consider it good maybe just dirty contact or bad batteries in your meter. what's your meter read by itself? The meter reads 0.000 just turning on. It s a fluke digital
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Reply #37 - 11/09/12 at 18:15:08

Rhyno wrote on 11/08/12 at 14:39:21:

oldNslow wrote on 11/04/12 at 06:33:43:

Rhyno, double check the fuses in the fuse holder under the seat. If I'm reading the schematic correctly, one of those fuses supplys +12v to the timers in the decompression controler. If the timers aren't getting power from there, AND from the starter switch, I don't think the starter relay will work correctly. It won't stay closed long enough to spin the starter.

May not be your problem but it's a simple check.

ok i check those they good, i get 12 volts across both thanks, it helps all part of the process.

You get 12 volts with one side of the meter grounded, from both legs of the fuse?

If not, pull the fuse, set to Ohms, measure across the fuse legs, if its not Zero,, the fuse is toast

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Re: Starting issues
Reply #38 - 11/09/12 at 18:16:55

Rhyno wrote on 11/09/12 at 17:12:10:

verslagen1 wrote on 11/08/12 at 15:32:57:

2.2 ohms is very low resistance, I would consider it good
maybe just dirty contact or bad batteries in your meter.

what's your meter read by itself?

The meter reads 0.000 just turning on. It s a fluke digital

ah, you gotta touch the leads together.

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Reply #39 - 11/09/12 at 18:27:59

The Ohms function reads the resistance between the 2 leads. Testing the meter is touching the leads & seeing 0.000, or, if it has an audible function, you can set it there.

If you have the meter on Ohms & connect it to power, you might hurt it, If you want to measure Volts, be sure you set the Function Dial to Volts & not Ohms.

You bought a Fluke meter? Daaaang,, I wish I had one,,

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oldNslow Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2683 Rochester, NY Gender:	Re: Starting issues Reply #40 - 11/26/12 at 07:11:25 Hey Rhyno, where'd you go? Did you ever get your starter to work? If so how about letting us know what the problem turned out to be.
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Reply #42 - 11/26/12 at 07:57:48

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 11/26/12 at 07:29:26:

He may have discovered something way too painfully silly to say, got it goin & rode away,,

Could be. But I still wish he'd tell us. I'd never make fun of someone for doing something silly - done plenty of that myself - and whatever it was, it might keep someone else from doing the same thing.

When you spend enough time wrenchin on stuff, doing stupid sh*t every now and then sort of comes with the territory.

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Re: Starting issues
Reply #44 - 11/28/12 at 13:10:54

Sorry guys took some time off of the project I was getting frustrated. Lol and no not yet she is still down. I am taking in CDI to shop tomorrow to have them check it. I'll let you know from there cause everything else hasn't worked to this point. Uggggh. Lol still no spark at the plug all else checks out ok. Question should the back of the CDI be smooth or bumpy? Mines bumpy. No metal sticking thru butt still very bumpy

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