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Reply #16 - 11/01/12 at 15:05:01

CDI has to do with the electronics of running the motor. Not running the starter.
If the starter runs on the bench then you need to check the starter switch. If the selonoid is clicking that means the switch is working.
Check the voltage at the battery. It must be OVER 12.6. If it is, take it to a garage and have it load tested.
Put it back in and check the voltage at the battery and at the selonoid on both sides. Needs to be over 12.6 at both places.
Next check it at the starter. If that works the next thing is to see if the starter is engaging with the motor correctly.
I haven't had mine apart so I don't know what the starter engages with. As somone said, put the correct spark plug in and turn over the motor.
If it doesn't turn over the starter isn't gonna do it either.

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Reply #17 - 11/01/12 at 15:49:26

verslagen1 wrote on 11/01/12 at 14:13:25:

cdi doesn't have anything to do with 'starter clicking'

remove sparky, try starter, does it spin?

the Starter isnt clicking. When all is Connected it doesnt do any thing. I had the battery tested at autozone and its good, the starter turns the motor but no ignition is occuring. yeah i can take out spark plug and the motor will turn

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Reply #19 - 11/01/12 at 16:38:12

Rhyno wrote on 11/01/12 at 13:19:19:

ok guys i tested the starter and all is good, the starter does turn the motor, i have had to use a car battery. the selonod still engages. Could the CDI be bad, or maybe the rectifier. Just some thoughts i hooked everything back up and i recieved the same problem mentioned before. Starter is good, Battery is good too, selenoid clicks.
I retried to test starter on the bike with everything hooked up andit still just clicks, i accidentally left the cdi unplugged and still same outcoome, does that mean CDi is bad? or is there an underlying problem.
I will continue to troubleshoot using manual. any other ideas would be helpfull

When you get your story straight let me know.

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Cavie Full Member Offline My wife made me do it Posts: 107 Port charlotte Fl Gender:	Re: Starting issues Reply #20 - 11/01/12 at 18:14:50 ok guys i tested the starter and all is good, the starter does turn the motor OK, starter is working and motor is turning over . Now remove the spark plug and lay it on the top of the fins. Leave the coil wire attached. Hold the plug down tight. Turn the motor over using the starter and see if you have spark at the end if the plug.
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Rhyno YaBB Newbies Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 25 Greenwood, IN Gender:	Re: Starting issues Reply #21 - 11/01/12 at 18:45:51 i do not have a neutral light, is there something in that.
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oldNslow Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2683 Rochester, NY Gender:	Re: Starting issues Reply #22 - 11/02/12 at 05:38:46 Rhyno wrote on 11/01/12 at 18:45:51: i do not have a neutral light, is there something in that. Not being sarcastic here. Just trying to help. BEFORE you do anything else, try this. Transmission in neutral - Sidestand up - Clutch lever pulled in. Engine cut off switch on. Hit the starter button and tell us EXACTLY what happens.
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Reply #23 - 11/02/12 at 19:08:39

sorry for my poor english ,the starter is fine, my original problem remains. i hit the start button with the cdi attached and the decomp selonoid activates and the selenoid clicks or activates. but the starter will not turn over or turn the motor.with all electrical connected. If i hook the battery up and jump all other electrical as specified in earlier in thread by hooking stright to the starter it turns and the motor turns but i have no spark whatsoever. i tested the ignition coil today and got the reading 22k ohms in resistance which is within spec per clymer. i tested the soleniod per clymer as well i dont remember the readings at the moment but they were within specifications of clymer.

verslagen1 wrote on 11/01/12 at 16:38:12:

Rhyno wrote on 11/01/12 at 13:19:19:

ok guys i tested the starter and all is good, the starter does turn the motor, i have had to use a car battery. the selonod still engages. Could the CDI be bad, or maybe the rectifier. Just some thoughts i hooked everything back up and i recieved the same problem mentioned before. Starter is good, Battery is good too, selenoid clicks.
I retried to test starter on the bike with everything hooked up andit still just clicks, i accidentally left the cdi unplugged and still same outcoome, does that mean CDi is bad? or is there an underlying problem.
I will continue to troubleshoot using manual. any other ideas would be helpfull

When you get your story straight let me know.

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Reply #25 - 11/02/12 at 19:18:59

sorry for getting pissed, but you got us chasing our tails with incorrect info.

Now we're getting somewhere. let's work on getting the starter to spin.

starters works when you directly jump it with the battery.
several people just recently have had issues with the decomp controler.
but lets check the starter button 1st.

what year is your bike?

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Reply #26 - 11/02/12 at 20:56:43

not a problem, sorry for being random. im a little ADD in my writing.
the bike is a 2001. as far as the starter switch it does activate the solenoid and decomp lever on the head as well as the decomp soleniod.

verslagen1 wrote on 11/02/12 at 19:18:59:

sorry for getting pissed, but you got us chasing our tails with incorrect info.

Now we're getting somewhere. let's work on getting the starter to spin.

starters works when you directly jump it with the battery.
several people just recently have had issues with the decomp controler.
but lets check the starter button 1st.

what year is your bike?

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Reply #27 - 11/02/12 at 22:25:02

Rhyno wrote on 11/02/12 at 20:56:43:

not a problem, sorry for being random. im a little ADD in my writing.
the bike is a 2001. as far as the starter switch it does activate the solenoid and decomp lever on the head as well as the decomp soleniod.

let's check the safeties and/or bypass them for now.

clutch safety, at the handlebar, left side, underneath the lever is a connector with 2 wires, either pull the back a little and short across both connectors with a wire.

sidestand safety, take off seat, look for a green water tight connector, unplug it and short across the connector.

now give it a try.

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Re: Starting issues
Reply #28 - 11/03/12 at 12:26:27

verslagen1 wrote on 11/02/12 at 22:25:02:

Rhyno wrote on 11/02/12 at 20:56:43:

not a problem, sorry for being random. im a little ADD in my writing.
the bike is a 2001. as far as the starter switch it does activate the solenoid and decomp lever on the head as well as the decomp soleniod.

let's check the safeties and/or bypass them for now.

clutch safety, at the handlebar, left side, underneath the lever is a connector with 2 wires, either pull the back a little and short across both connectors with a wire.

sidestand safety, take off seat, look for a green water tight connector, unplug it and short across the connector.

now give it a try.

ok i unplugged the cluth safety swith and jumped that with a wire and upplugged the neutral stand switch as well again jumping that with a wire, no changes

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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28886 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Starting issues Reply #29 - 11/03/12 at 13:25:37 looking like either a bad decomp controller or a bad relay. you'll need a volt meter, check the relay voltage. one of the big wires will have it all the time. one of the small wires will have it when you push the start button.
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