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Reply #30 - 06/25/10 at 01:11:23
 
The photos are hilarious. I agree, God must be an art critic!
As for me, well I choose to believe, but I also choose not to try to cram it down others throats. I don't hold anything against Mick for his poking at relegion. Most of it is well deserved. He's simply giving a little back for those who've shoved it at him over his life. We can none of us prove God exists any more than we can prove He doesn't. Not in scientific terms. One can say that they believe God doesn't exist because they asked Him to show Himself, and He did not; or that He can't possibly exist because of the mess the world is in, or because of all the blood that has been shed in His name. That logic has a few holes for me. I could use the same reasoning to say Barak Obama doesn't exist. I called the DC switchboard and they refused to put me through, a conspiracy. All the pics and video of him? Clearly doctored. All the articles and accounts written about him? Written by mortal men weren't they? As for those who claim to have "seen" him with their own eyes or shook his hand, well thats just mass hysteria. Besides, he couldn't possibly exist. The most powerful man in the world, and just look at the mess this country is in. Smiley
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Reply #31 - 06/25/10 at 08:11:54
 
Growing up, religion was crammed into my head.  Over the years it dont seem to go away.  So as I got older I was able to form my own opinions on the subject.  I hate that people fall for these donate scams that TV evangelists sell, or how everyone says their religion is the right one.  I think that religion was created to suppress the masses.  What better way to have control over people than to threaten them with hell, or to give them some kind of perk like heaven for believing.  I think it was kind of genius to write a book that gives future tense consciousness  for not giving in to the beliefs of it.  Who is to say we couldnt write a book and market it  to make people today and future generations believe what we write.  And its even worse here in the bible belt.  It seems to market here real well.  In closing I think it is the most controversial subject to pass time.  I dont aim to offend anyone, just expressing my opinion like the freedom of speech says I can.
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Reply #32 - 06/25/10 at 10:54:01
 
"There are no proofs that God exists -- only witnesses."

Not sure who the quote is from, most likely either Soren Kierkegaard or Abraham Joshua Heschel.  Regardless, it's an excellent statement.

We tend to get our first exposure to religion as children, and it is presented to us at a child's level.  Then we grow up, and are expected to maintain this child-like and child-ish faith.  The results:  the "pie in the sky when you die" evangelicals, poring over holy texts for hidden meanings and interpretations like the Hasidic Jews or medieval Christian scholastics ("how many angels can dance on the head of a pin"), or the rote memorization of texts -- this last one popular in the Muslim and Buddhist communities.

None of which helps us understand our relationship with the universe in an adult manner.
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Reply #33 - 06/25/10 at 12:10:41
 
I have this old motto, not sure now were I heard it but it made sense, but "if i cant see it, feel it, hear it,taste it, or touch it, then it doesn't exist".  Im a firm believer in luck and life being random.  But here is my argument, Ive been told that I shouldn't question were god came from.  Why is that, why cant anyone explain that? All great things have an explanation don't they.
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Reply #34 - 06/25/10 at 13:13:50
 
mikelhsr1982 wrote on 06/25/10 at 12:10:41:
I have this old motto, not sure now were I heard it but it made sense, but "if i cant see it, feel it, hear it,taste it, or touch it, then it doesn't exist".  



What about love?
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Reply #35 - 06/25/10 at 13:24:21
 
gerald.hughes wrote on 06/25/10 at 13:13:50:
mikelhsr1982 wrote on 06/25/10 at 12:10:41:
I have this old motto, not sure now were I heard it but it made sense, but "if i cant see it, feel it, hear it,taste it, or touch it, then it doesn't exist".  
I rekon that falls under feel, lol.  Guess I should have been more specific.  lol


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Reply #36 - 06/25/10 at 13:24:26
 
You've never felt love gerald?
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Reply #37 - 06/25/10 at 13:48:11
 
To all religions women are no more than a piece of meat,I don't see it that way thats why I am an atheist.
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Reply #38 - 06/25/10 at 13:48:59
 
"if i cant see it, feel it, hear it,taste it, or touch it, then it doesn't exist"

This really rings a bell to me because I used to think
EXACTLY this way, then one day something happened
and I soon realized that there was a BIG problem.

Humans are visual beings by design, now more
than ever in this colorful world full of movement,
screens and advertising we live in, but there is a
huge problem and I'll explain it with the best
example I can think of right now:

Stacked-up, all the light wavelengths in the
physical universe would be as tall as the empire
state building, but if one takes into account the
visual range of the human eye this would not
even measure the thickness of a sheet of paper
and this does not mean that those other 102 floors
do not exist, "see" the problem?

Also realized that all of our senses are just electric
impulses translated into things and feelings by our brain
and that humans are actually pretty ill equipped in the
5 senses department to begin with.


** Just a few examples:

Vision (Natural light) A cat has 400,000 sense organ cells per
square millimeter catch light and movement, a hawk 1 million.

Aural (Sound) Humans have a hearing range of 20-20,000 Hz.
A bat of 2,000-110,000, a beluga whale from 1,000-123,000Hz.
A porpoise can hear up to 150,000 Hz and a common mouse to 90k.

Ecolocation (Sonar) Whales, dolphins, bats and some
shrews use ecolocation to navigate their surroundings.

Infrared Vision (Radiation) Rattlesnakes and other pit
vipers use their eyes to see during the day, but at night
they use infrared sensory organs to detect and hunt
warm-blooded prey.

Ultra Violet Many fish, amphibians, reptiles, birds,
insects and some mammals have ultraviolet vision, but
not humans.

Electric Sense Electric eels, some rays have modified
muscle cells that can shock and sometimes kill their prey.
Other fish and frogs use weaker electric fields to navigate.

Bio-electric Sharks have a semiconductor gel that
can sense bioelectric fields of prey and other animals in
seawater using an extraordinary system of sense organs
called ampullae of Lorenzini.

Magnetic Sense A number of animals that have deposits
of magnetite in their nervous systems are able to sense
the earth's magnetic field (north) and navigate accordingly.

http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/amaze.html
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Reply #39 - 06/25/10 at 14:19:00
 
mikelhsr1982 wrote on 06/25/10 at 12:10:41:
I have this old motto, not sure now were I heard it but it made sense, but "if i cant see it, feel it, hear it,taste it, or touch it, then it doesn't exist".  Im a firm believer in luck and life being random.  But here is my argument, Ive been told that I shouldn't question were god came from.  Why is that, why cant anyone explain that? All great things have an explanation don't they.  

Then virus's don't exist and no one should be sick.
Then electron's don't exist and there should be no electricity.
Then atom's don't exist and there should be no matter.

There's a whole lot in this world I can't personally see, etc., etc. and a whole lot more I can't even begin to unstand yet I know is present.  To say that god does not exist is a sign of arrogance and ignorance.
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Reply #40 - 06/25/10 at 14:40:21
 
BurnPgh wrote on 06/25/10 at 13:24:26:
You've never felt love gerald?


Please reread the original quote and my comment.
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Reply #41 - 06/25/10 at 15:03:36
 
verslagen1 wrote on 06/25/10 at 14:19:00:
mikelhsr1982 wrote on 06/25/10 at 12:10:41:
I have this old motto, not sure now were I heard it but it made sense, but "if i cant see it, feel it, hear it,taste it, or touch it, then it doesn't exist".  Im a firm believer in luck and life being random.  But here is my argument, Ive been told that I shouldn't question were god came from.  Why is that, why cant anyone explain that? All great things have an explanation don't they.  

Then virus's don't exist and no one should be sick.
Then electron's don't exist and there should be no electricity.
Then atom's don't exist and there should be no matter.

There's a whole lot in this world I can't personally see, etc., etc. and a whole lot more I can't even begin to unstand yet I know is present.  To say that god does not exist is a sign of arrogance and ignorance.

If you have a virus, you feel it, stick your finger in a socket, you feel it, or you can see electricity spark.  

As far as arrogance and ignorance, to each his own
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