Stimpy - FSO wrote on 06/21/10 at 12:23:18:

Stimpy,did you ever see the movie "Religiliuos" by Bill Maher ?
there was a guy a mexican who actually claimed to a desendant of jesus christ,had quite a following,and his name was Jesus Christ,I have no idea how he got that last name.
I do know how the first JC got his name, it was about Dec 25 about 2010 years ago,this gal got pregnant and her husband was so pi$sed off because he knew he was not the Dad,so they left town because of the shame she would bring the house,there were no rooms at the inn so they stayed in the barn out back, it was a busy night and before long 3 guys walked in after putting in a long shift at burger king,all dressed in there work clothes,it was dark ,with just one candle for light.
the guys started walking in one noticed the mom feeding her baby at the same moment he stepped on a rake ,the handle came up really hard and banged him right on the forhead, his hand flew to his head he screamed "JESUS CHRIST ! " the woman said thats a great name,thats what we will call him".

Mick: yup, good film, have to re-watch soon  

Ed: well yes, yes and no. It's sadly waaay
more complicated than that; as far as we
know through what is left of written (or
drawn) history, religion has simply been
a very effective tool to control the masses,
but the "root of all evil" remains greed and
the thirst for power.

Spirituality is one thing and religion is another.

Spirituality is an undisputed fact of life because
we all, with no exceptions, are at some point
torn with the duality of the human condition.
Torn between being an aware beast and/or
something much higher.

Religion is a whole different animal. When people
believe in nothing, they'll believe anything and
this is dangerous. It all started as a way to try
to explain electromagnetism, the celestial bodies
and other natural forces and occurrences, this
eventually turned in to tales, legends and mythology.

Further on, this was found to be a great tool to control
whole populations because it really resonates with the
one single universal instinctive human desire (which
can also be turned into a weakness): we are explorers
by design and therefore we crave answers, specially to
the 3 fundamental questions of WHO are we, WHERE
do we come from and WHY are we here?

Religion promised answers, but there was one catch,
a loophole to weasel their way out of their part of the
deal...  this we call "faith".

Science to the rescue?  Not so fast, because the
second it becomes politicized, it becomes religion
and the vicious circle starts again.

The funniest thing of all is that when one really
studies all of the world's religions you soon realize
that they are all a carbon-copy of the other, and is
here exactly where nothing makes sense anymore
and where you can clearly see the truth:
the ill-meant intentions of the ruling class, the end.

Thanks for the welcome. I just want to clarify to any you who are religious that I never mean to offend you. I come from a fairly religious family, but I do not share their beliefs. I'm no atheist but I also refuse to live my life based on a book that was carefully written by mortal men. A book that has been made into a business.

Stimpy I was referring to all the blood that's been shed on the name of religion

I'm starting to like this thread,
lots of inteligent, neutral opinions
and for once nobody is offended  

Ed: yes, exactly, WHY the bloodshed!?
Stinger: exactly, nobody knows for sure.
Mick: you've always been an outspoken guy, thank god  
About me: I guess I'm an agnostic of sort,
I just know there is "something" "out there",
but what/where/how/why? crap.

It's 2010 and today birth from a virgin is
possible through science, flying (tripulated)
"balls of fire" are real as well as curing the
blind, genetic manipulation of species, the
"seeding" of life and even a form of very
rudimentary space and even timetravel
(mach speeds/Hadron collider/superstring
theory/teleportation of particles/etc).

Is it really SO hard to believe that maybe
all the "bibles" are in fact real but grossly
misinterpreted historic/prediction documents?
What if the bible is not about religion at all,
but about the disclosure project? Think about it.

Why does the vatican have such a HUGE library
full of documents and artifacts 1000's of years
old? (that funny enough they share with no one,
ever). Why do the need labs to study human dna?
Why has the vatican always had THE best tele-
scopes money could buy (breadcrumbs from
Galileo to the hubble money) but still they just
recently accepted Nicolaus Copernicus theory
on orbits? What are they hiding/looking for?

Or maybe those advanced human civilizations
never really "disappeared" but left somewhere
and just come back for "supplies" once in a while?

Or maybe it was "god" after all the one responsible
for all this mess and, as predicted, will soon send his
ambassadors to check on us  and tell us to play nice  

stinger wrote on 06/23/10 at 03:15:14:

my Dad who died two days ago had a priest removed from his room.
I must be a moron because I know there is no heavon, and in the remote chance that there is one,who would abide there ?
Or are you saying people go to heaven as is ? complete with a body ?
Or is it  just a spirit ? so what would a spirit do in heaven, what can heaven have thats better than here on earth ? motorcycles ? Golf courses ? Sailing ? screwing ? fishing ? drinking ? if they don't have any of that who in the heck would want to go ?
Amazingly even deeply religious people seem reluctent to die, they hang on as long as possable, if heaven is so great I would think they would try and speed things along a bit.
You know my Dads family were all here on fathers day, a few hours later we took him back to the nursing home, all he said was as we put him to bed ,he stretched out ,and with a sigh ,said "time to go" he went to sleep a few hours later he was dead.

stinger wrote on 06/23/10 at 03:15:14:

There is a darn good chance that life exists in outer space, I never said otherwise. And at 72 years old I think I will find out in my lifetime.
As for heaven,forget it,don't go getting your hopes up,but I guess it doesn't matter because you are a long time dead.And you will never know.

drharveys - FSO wrote on 06/23/10 at 19:47:33:

...