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A little angry....
06/06/10 at 11:06:37

So I go out today to play around with the savage for a bit, and it don't start. NOTHING. I push the starter and don't get anything. Not a click, not a cough, nothing. I might as well be trying to start the darn thing without the key in it. After a few minutes the neutral light slowly starts to fade, along with the other lights. What the hell happened???? The last time I started it was no more than a week ago and the freaking battery is brand new! I put it in no more than a month ago and it's a sealed maintanance free battery. What gives???

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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28628 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: A little angry.... Reply #1 - 06/06/10 at 11:16:35 Tighten terminals?... ... or look for short... ...
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kevinphan Full Member Offline Posts: 220 Dracut, Massachusetts Gender:	Re: A little angry.... Reply #2 - 06/06/10 at 11:18:21 Sounds like a dead battery
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Edgar Senior Member Offline Are you a lucky little lady in the city of light? Posts: 353 San Diego	Re: A little angry.... Reply #3 - 06/06/10 at 11:22:02 Terminals are good, the battery is brand new. Fustrating.
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cursal Full Member Offline Daily Savage Rider Posts: 175 Eugene, OR Gender:	Re: A little angry.... Reply #4 - 06/06/10 at 11:22:25 return with receipt....if dead shame...but it does happen
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Edgar Senior Member Offline Are you a lucky little lady in the city of light? Posts: 353 San Diego	Re: A little angry.... Reply #5 - 06/06/10 at 11:37:52 So that's the verdict? Dead battery? Bought the darn thing on eBay so I'm probably effed.
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Edgar Senior Member Offline Are you a lucky little lady in the city of light? Posts: 353 San Diego	Re: A little angry.... Reply #6 - 06/06/10 at 11:51:16 what else can i look for? None of the electrics light up, nothing. i was cleaning the controls with some degreaser, but i already took apart the starter/kill switch control and its dry in there. how would i find a short?
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bobbed750 YaBB Newbies Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 32	Re: A little angry.... Reply #7 - 06/06/10 at 12:22:57 maybe a bad ground? should really check the voltage on the battery, i have had a month old battery develop a bad cell and be completely dead
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Edgar Senior Member Offline Are you a lucky little lady in the city of light? Posts: 353 San Diego	Re: A little angry.... Reply #8 - 06/06/10 at 12:47:26 bobbed750 wrote on 06/06/10 at 12:22:57: maybe a bad ground? should really check the voltage on the battery, i have had a month old battery develop a bad cell and be completely dead I'm looking for 12v right?
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Mr. Hyde Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 565 Kingston, Ontario, Canada Gender:	Re: A little angry.... Reply #9 - 06/06/10 at 13:10:58 I went through 2 brand new batteries from the dealer before I got a good one. They tested great but under load they both had a bad cell (or 2).
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WD Serious Thumper 2005 No Login Offline Professional "scooter trash". Posts: 5207 Rosemark TN Gender:	Re: A little angry.... Reply #10 - 06/06/10 at 16:39:54 Check the fuses. Bike only has 2 and it only takes a micro-short to fry them. A bit of water in a connector will do it. Yeah, I mean condensation. Mine goes through fuses like a fat kid goes through M&Ms, I keep it outside and the fuse box fell apart years ago.
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Reply #11 - 06/06/10 at 16:46:38

First of all, disconnect one of the battery cables, then verify that the battery is fully charged,....and if it ain't, charge it. Yes, you need a voltmeter, or a charger that shows when its full charged. If it doesn't stay charged w/ cable disconnected, the battery is bad !

If the battery stays charged, then the battery is most likely good. Then connect one of the battery cables if it isn't already. After making sure everything on the bike is turned off, touch the last batt cable to the post on the battery and look for any continued sparking (best to do at night) if you see any continued sparking....no matter how small, there is a short somewhere in the electrical system. If no sparking, everything should be ok.

I have this feeling that the battery was not charged properly. Just because a battery starts the bike, that don't mean it was anywhere near full charged. Most battery failure is caused from sitting around 1/2 dead all the time, even if you ride the bike on short trips quite often. If the bike is not run for at least an hour or 2 everytime you start it, the battery state of charge is slowly going down hill, till all of a sudden one day it won't start. Sound kinda like your problem ?

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Reply #12 - 06/06/10 at 17:52:38

After charging your battery and installing it back in your bike. Leave the pos cable off and hook up the neg cable. Now take a 12 V test light ( a 12 V single filament 1156 with 2 leads soldered on with gater clips is fine) and bridge between the pos battery terminal and the pos lead. Make sure everything is turned off . If the bulb shows any light at all , you have a short to ground somewhere in the system The brighter the light the bigger the short. The light will not glow at all if everything is normal. When hunting for a short, feel the wires as a wire that is shorted will be warm to the touch.
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Reply #13 - 06/06/10 at 18:00:56

Routy wrote on 06/06/10 at 16:46:38:

First of all, disconnect one of the battery cables, then verify that the battery is fully charged,....and if it ain't, charge it. Yes, you need a voltmeter, or a charger that shows when its full charged. If it doesn't stay charged w/ cable disconnected, the battery is bad !

If the battery stays charged, then the battery is most likely good. Then connect one of the battery cables if it isn't already. After making sure everything on the bike is turned off, touch the last batt cable to the post on the battery and look for any continued sparking (best to do at night) if you see any continued sparking....no matter how small, there is a short somewhere in the electrical system. If no sparking, everything should be ok.

I have this feeling that the battery was not charged properly. Just because a battery starts the bike, that don't mean it was anywhere near full charged. Most battery failure is caused from sitting around 1/2 dead all the time, even if you ride the bike on short trips quite often. If the bike is not run for at least an hour or 2 everytime you start it, the battery state of charge is slowly going down hill, till all of a sudden one day it won't start. Sound kinda like your problem ?
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Yea it does sound kinda like it. It's not my daily driver so it only gets ridden on my days off fora few hours. I'm at work, but once I'm off tonight I'll head over to wal mart and buy a charger and a voltometer cuz I couldn't find mine anywhere earlier. But just to verify, when I disconnect the cable to check if it charges, am I looking for it to say 12volts? And does it matter which one I take off? I hope it's the battery man, but it's only a month old!

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Charon Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 1811 Harvard, NE Gender:	Re: A little angry.... Reply #14 - 06/06/10 at 18:10:31 A "new" battery is not necessarily a "charged" battery. EVERY new battery should be charged before it is ever installed. Get a low-rate charger, no more than two amps for the battery in the Savage/S40. Charge the new battery overnight, then install it. If you do not do that, you are almost guaranteed a short battery life.
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