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Grinding when shifting
05/31/10 at 19:47:45
 
Here's the problem:  If I try to shift either down to first gear or up to second gear from neutral when bike is moving, I hear and feel a grinding noise, like the gears are grinding.  Also, when stopped, I have an occasional problem shifting down in to first gear to take off.  Does this sound more like a gear problem or clutch problem?  By the way...it's not just me because I had someone else ride the bike today and it did the same thing for them and they have been riding for many years and lots of different bikes. Any thoughts or ideas of what the problem might be?
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Reply #1 - 05/31/10 at 19:52:56
 
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Reply #2 - 05/31/10 at 20:05:27
 
Mine does the same since 9,000 miles. Mine is a '06 with 12,000 miles on it.
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Reply #3 - 05/31/10 at 20:05:59
 
I never shift into nuetral while moving so I cant say as far as shifting out of nuetral while moving but as far as the hard shift when stopped...sometimes I get a nice clunk shifting down to first from neutral. You can try a few things...let the bike roll forward a few inches as you shift into first, squeeze the clutch 2 or 3 times before you shift, or blip the thorttle just a bit before you shift.
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Reply #4 - 05/31/10 at 20:17:51
 
How is your clutch free play at the lever? I'd guess excessive. Start by tightening up your clutch cable a bit. My 98 was the same way until the factory cable quit stretching.

And if you are running a 10W40 oil, switch to 15W40. And don't run Actevo bike oil in any grade, that thin garbage will destroy your clutch.

My 98 doesn't shift worth a darn if I screw up and run anything lighter than 15W40, and prefers 20W50.

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Reply #5 - 05/31/10 at 20:26:44
 
BurnPgh wrote on 05/31/10 at 20:05:59:
I never shift into nuetral while moving so I cant say as far as shifting out of nuetral while moving but as far as the hard shift when stopped...sometimes I get a nice clunk shifting down to first from neutral. You can try a few things...let the bike roll forward a few inches as you shift into first, squeeze the clutch 2 or 3 times before you shift, or blip the thorttle just a bit before you shift.


Wish I could just shift it into first when stopped consistently.  My problem is not being able to shift it into first when stopped, at least not consistently.  When it does shift, there is the nice clunck sound, but sometimes it simply won't shift without rolling the bike.
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Reply #6 - 05/31/10 at 20:27:46
 
WD wrote on 05/31/10 at 20:17:51:
How is your clutch free play at the lever? I'd guess excessive. Start by tightening up your clutch cable a bit. My 98 was the same way until the factory cable quit stretching.

And if you are running a 10W40 oil, switch to 15W40. And don't run Actevo bike oil in any grade, that thin garbage will destroy your clutch.

My 98 doesn't shift worth a darn if I screw up and run anything lighter than 15W40, and prefers 20W50.

I see the language nanny is still enabled... Lips Sealed


Freeplay is quite the opposite, virtually none.  Tonight I adjusted it so there is some play, took it for a ride and nothing changed.  
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Reply #7 - 05/31/10 at 20:36:30
 
Likely, the cause, is that the shift linkage at the engine is off a spline or two, but I dont know if moving it clockwise or counter clockwise is correct. And its a PITA to move it just one or two splines. Then again, not correctly adjusting it puts more stress on the linkage rod and a few members have had theirs suddenly break.
Thinking more about it...shifting from neutral while moving...the gears are synchronized (IIRC) to aid in smooth shifting from gear to gear. Being in neutral you arent in any gear at all really. It might just be that you need to be more careful about matching engine rpms with road speed when you shift.

edit -  there should be 3-5mm of free play between the clutch lever and the lever housing
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Reply #8 - 05/31/10 at 20:42:40
 
PBLover wrote on 05/31/10 at 20:26:44:
BurnPgh wrote on 05/31/10 at 20:05:59:
I never shift into nuetral while moving so I cant say as far as shifting out of nuetral while moving but as far as the hard shift when stopped...sometimes I get a nice clunk shifting down to first from neutral. You can try a few things...let the bike roll forward a few inches as you shift into first, squeeze the clutch 2 or 3 times before you shift, or blip the thorttle just a bit before you shift.


Wish I could just shift it into first when stopped consistently.  My problem is not being able to shift it into first when stopped, at least not consistently.  When it does shift, there is the nice clunck sound, but sometimes it simply won't shift without rolling the bike.


If its that bad move the shifter linkage a couple splines. Is it only shifting into first or is shifting down in general difficult? Mark where you're at now so you know how far you've gone after you adjust. Im going to geuss counterclockwise is correct. Verslagen knows for sure. Maybe he'll chime in.
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Reply #9 - 05/31/10 at 20:47:27
 


[/quote]Is it only shifting into first or is shifting down in general difficult? Mark where you're at now so you know how far you've gone after you adjust. Im going to geuss counterclockwise is correct. Verslagen knows for sure. Maybe he'll chime in. [/quote]

It's when shifting down in to first or back up in to second from neutral.  Shifting up and down from or in to 3,4,5 smooth as can be.
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Re: Grinding when shifting
Reply #10 - 05/31/10 at 21:16:58
 
If you are sitting in neutral w/ clutch pulled in, the tranny stops spinning. Let the clutch out to the first part of the friction zone, pull it back & gentloy step on the shifter. You should probably be in first at that stop,....aimed at a safe "OUT", wAtching the mirrors..ready to get outta the way..
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Re: Grinding when shifting
Reply #11 - 05/31/10 at 22:41:36
 
You can try one spline on the shifter, if you are having trouble shifting up go down one spline and vice versa.

But I think you are having a clutch issue.
check the marks on the case for starters
digger may chime in I think he's adjusted his or OF
with bike off, in gear and clutch in... is it hard to push around?
then you need to put in the longer clutch rod.

what's happening is the clutch never completely disengages, so your tranny is always loaded.  best work around till you get it fixed is always shift while moving.  apply pressure to the shifter, don't stomp on it, that'll bend the dogs.
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Reply #12 - 05/31/10 at 22:59:27
 
Bike tranny's are different than cars,...  They don't like to shift when not rolling...
It's normal...
If it won't go into gear at a stop,... release the clutch and pull it in again... then it will work easy... Wink...
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Reply #13 - 06/01/10 at 12:00:43
 
verslagen1 wrote on 05/31/10 at 22:41:36:
You can try one spline on the shifter, if you are having trouble shifting up go down one spline and vice versa.

But I think you are having a clutch issue.
check the marks on the case for starters
digger may chime in I think he's adjusted his or OF
with bike off, in gear and clutch in... is it hard to push around?
then you need to put in the longer clutch rod.

what's happening is the clutch never completely disengages, so your tranny is always loaded.  best work around till you get it fixed is always shift while moving.  apply pressure to the shifter, don't stomp on it, that'll bend the dogs.


I will try adjusting one spline on shifter this afternoon after work.  Also, you asked is it hard to push around...yes, it can be almost impossible even with the clutch pulled in.  To answer Serowbot, I've tried many many times to double clutch at stops with no luck.  Bike has to be rolled forward or backward before it will shift down in to first.
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Re: Grinding when shifting
Reply #14 - 06/01/10 at 12:02:59
 
PBLover wrote on 06/01/10 at 12:00:43:
Also, you asked is it hard to push around...yes, it can be almost impossible even with the clutch pulled in.   

I think your answer will be clutch rod.
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